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    dominick4me
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    I did an ivf in 06, Fet 4/08 and 8/08 that both ended up with positive test result but ended in miscarry within a few days both times. I was told my problem conceiving stims from scarring. Is it possible that i have hydrosalpinges and it's what caused me to miscarry the two FET's? This is the first i'm hearing about this. I'm upset if this is the case because i don't understand why this Dr wouldn't have know what to do to get around that issue. I read on another thread that the fluid that is caused by that hydrosalpinges leaks into the uterus and can cause the embryos to die.

    Reading that has really put a sour taste in my mouth with this facility that i've went to. I received a letter in the mail stating i owe $500 for a storage bill for June 08-June 09. That is the yearly storage fee. Well i was completely taken aback because i had 4 embies left when i went in for my last fET procedure in Aug 08. I begged the Dr to put 3 back if he had three to work with and he said that he would see. Well, i went in on transfer day and he came in and said that he thawed the first 2 and they were ok but not as strong as he'd like so he would thaw the remaining 2 and then we would go from there. Well 20 minutes passed and he said that he was putting 3 back which left one. Well, i thought once you thaw them all you couldn't refreeze them. Well i get a bill saying i have 2 left so i'm pissed because if that's the case the Dr. lied to me about how many he transfered. Well, I'm totally confused now and have not trust in these people so i call and the billing person tells me she sends out the bills according to what she's told by the embryologists. She said she would check with her again and call me back the next day. Well, she did not call back i had to call her back twice. She finally call back and says oh well i talked to her and you have 1 left because he transfered 2 back discarded one and refroze the other one because i initially started with 4. It went from me having 2 to 1 left now. I am so mad about this and the unfortunate part about this for me is that i may be stuck with the bill because i don't think i have any paperwork. I discarded all that when i packed up to move back to my hometown so i don't know if there's really one left or not. They could be telling me anything. That makes me wonder if anything that went on with me was on the up and up.

    Any feedback? Please advise on the hydrosalpinges. Thanks so much for any feedback?


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    Smile Hydrosalpinges

    Ouch! Sounds like you've had a terrible time getting accurate information from this doctor. I am so sorry. I cannot really comment on your embryo count, except to say that for most procedures, the physician will dictate and sigh a "surgical report" during the procedure that states exactly what s/he did. You have a right to ask for a copy of that report, and your whole chart, if you want it. Hopefully, that will give you the answers you are seeking there.

    Regarding the hydrosalpinx (swollen tube) issues, did you have an HSG or laparoscopic dye test to check teh condition of your fallopian tubes at any time before the IVF transfers? That would have been reasonable. Most REs like to remove a tube with hydrosalpinx before an IVF, because they feel that the liquid inside could be toxic to a fertilized egg. However, that is not always the case, and some women with hydrosalpinges (the plural of hydrosalpinx) have had natural unassisted pregnancies, even after failed IVF.

    Recent published literature indicates that there are other, more natural ways to clear scarring and hydrosalpinx besides surgery. You may want to check into those. Let me know if you need more info on that. To start with, I suggest you order copies of all of the typed surgical reports from all of your physicians - and read them.

    Hope this helps!
    Larry
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    FET after removal of uterine adhesions

    Ok so I just had an IVF in 10/08, and FET in 12/08, and another IVF in 02/09. The first 2 rounds were a BFN, then in 02/09 I finally got a BFP only to find out the same day that I started my period... ended up in a chemical pregnancy : ( So finally after 3 failures... I decided to switch doc's... this 2nd doc asked me what my doc said was the reason was for the failures. I just thought it was bad luck... So this new doc decided to do a hysteroscopy (cuz I've got really bad sever stage 4 endo) and surgery is no longer an option for me since my intestines are now glued to my abdominal wall...

    So I had a hysteroscopy and feared that I might have hydrosalpinges, but we found out that my tubes are not blocked!... but I did have a bit of scarring that he cleared up... now Im about to go in for another FET in like 2.5 weeks... I just wish that the previous doc would have checked this out instead of wasting all the time... money... and emotion... I wanted to know what the chances were... I mean this FET will be done from the same Blasts that were used in the IVF round that i was able to become pregnant with last time... I REALLY am hoping this works this time... since im up to my eye balls in credit card debt and running out of time with the endo growing inside me... Are there anymore of you out there who were successful with FET after removing some uterine scarring???


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    Endometriosis and Multiple Failed Surgeries, IUIs, and IVFs - then Success

    Hi 2BPreggo -

    Your story touched my heart, and I pray that your FET goes well. While I was reading it, it reminded me of this story from our book Miracle Moms which I thought I might share with you, give you heart, and remind you that there is hope, even after dramatic adventures (and severe adhesions and endo) such as yours. I hope it will give you something positive to think about, reading another woman's dramatic struggle towards success.

    Endometriosis and Multiple Failed Surgeries, IUIs, and IVFs - Madison’s Story


    I was shocked when I could not become pregnant. My husband and I had always assumed we would be able to have children when we wanted. But after trying for a year, we finally sought the help of my gynecologist.
    Because infertility tests are less intrusive for men, my husband was the first to be tested. When his tests came back normal, my personal struggle with infertility began.

    My physician immediately suggested I have a hysterosalpingogram (HSG) — a test to determine if there was any blockage in my fallopian tubes. I was relieved when the HSG revealed that my tubes appeared to be functioning properly.

    I knew something else had to be wrong. Since the onset of puberty, I had experienced excruciating pain during my periods. My doctors had never been able to find the source of my pain. I thought that pain might be tied to my infertility.

    I consulted another physician who suspected I had endometriosis — a condition in which endometrial tissue grows outside of the uterus, and can cause severe pain and infertility.

    Unfortunately, the only way to diagnose endometriosis is through laparoscopic surgery. My physician found severe endometriosis encasing the majority of my reproductive system and bladder. During the surgery, he removed any endometrial tissue he could access. However, the surgery caused my bladder to shut down and a bladder specialist had to be called in. I had to spend considerable time healing, due to these post-surgical complications.

    Even after the surgery, we found we were still unable to become pregnant. My doctor then prescribed Clomid®, to en¬hance my fertility. Because this drug affects the hormonal sys¬tem, I experienced side effects, such as having little control over my emotions. I continued taking Clomid for six months. But after no success, our doctor decided to refer us to a specialist.

    The specialist we consulted thought an intrauterine insemination (IUI) was our best option. During the IUI, a thin catheter was inserted through my cervix and my husband’s washed sperm was injected into my uterus. Because an IUI has to be performed within six hours of ovulation, I was given hormonal shots. I was prescribed Paxil®, an anti-depressant, to help with emotional swings, but I still felt like I was going through menopause. I would wake up in the middle of the night and want to strip off all my clothes.

    My frustration increased when the IUI wasn’t successful and two subsequent IUIs also did not work. Because my menstrual pain was back, my specialist recommended I have another laparoscopic surgery. I was hesitant to undergo the procedure again, so I sought a second opinion.

    Our new specialist agreed that a laparoscopic surgery would be beneficial. I decided to go through with the surgery, but it turned out far worse than the first. This surgeon accidentally nicked my intestines while removing endometrial tissues — causing me to stay in the hospital for a week.

    After the disappointing results of both surgeries, my husband and I decided to try in vitro fertilization (IVF). For ten days, I gave myself injections that made me sick with an upset stomach. Then, while I was under sedation, the specialists used an ultrasound-guided needle to reach my ovaries, and retrieve my follicles. They were then incubated with my husband’s sperm. After an egg was fertilized, the embryo was transferred to my uterus.

    I had to wait two excruciating weeks before I could return to the clinic for a pregnancy test. When we were finally told the results, we were devastated to learn the IVF was un¬successful. Three months later, my husband and I decided to try another IVF transfer. Once again, our transfer ended as a “failure.” Grasping thin threads of hope, we schedule a third IVF transfer.

    Before the procedure, our superintendent asked me and my husband if we had ever heard of Clear Passage Therapies (CPT), a clinic that offers manual physical therapy to help relieve pain and improve fertility. My husband and I researched CPT, and read their website and medical studies. Because it had proven success without the drugs and surgery that had caused me so many problems, we knew this was something that I should do. We felt it would not only increase my chances of pregnancy, but would also help my body heal from all I had undergone to that point.

    When I arrived for my week of treatment, the therapists first explained that when the body heals from trauma (surgery, abuse, etc.), scar tissue forms and can turn into adhesions that cause pain and prevent proper function within the body. During my twenty hours of treatment, the therapists worked to loosen adhesions and restore proper function to my body.

    Afterwards, my body felt looser and healthier. When I returned home, my husband and I were elated to find that there was no longer any pain with sex. My husband joked that he would send me back for more treatment in a heartbeat. An¬other amazing outcome was that I no longer experienced pain from my endometriosis.
    We completed our third IVF just one month later. When my pregnancy test came back positive, I was so excited! I knew it had to be the manual physical therapy that made the difference.

    We were so happy when our beautiful baby girl was born. Five months after her birth, we discovered another surprise. I found out I was pregnant again! After struggling with infertility so long, my husband and I never considered using any form of birth control. It was then that I knew CPT had healed and restored proper function to my body.

    Looking back, I wish I had gone to CPT sooner. After all the drugs, the painful, unnecessary surgeries and treatments, it was a natural, drug-free treatment that finally enabled me to become a mother.

    Best wishes,
    Larry
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