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Hi Everyone,
You may (or may not) know me as one of the women here who constantly encourages people to look into the field of reproductive immunology (RI). This is a different, and often competing, field than reproductive endocrinology (RE). If you are "unexplained," this means that the RE field did everything it could and can offer you no anwers. Please consider immune issues and the RI field. Red flags for immune issues include: - 3 or more failed IVF's or 1 failed IVF under age 35 - 3 or more chem pg's - 1 or more m/c's with normal pathology - "unexplained" dx - endometriosis, especially stage I or II, even if it's been removed - extensive use of antibiotics earlier in life - cold/sore throat/flu-like symptoms after ovulation, IUI, egg transfer - achy/restless legs/knees after ovulation, IUI, egg transfer - known autoimmune disorders (you or family members) - family history of heart attack, stroke, Alzheimer's, DVT (do the thrombophilia panel and also check for antiphospholipid antibodies) - m/c(s), followed by chem pg(s), followed by BFN's - there are many more. Here is an interesting article from a recent edition of a magazine formerly known as "Infertility Times." If any of this sounds familiar, or if you're just curious, please check out the "immune issues" bb and/or the Yahoo immunology group listed at the very end. Best wishes, ladies!! Lauren ![]() Article from Achieving Families Magazine http://www.achievingfamilies.com/ Pages 18-22 September/October 2005 edition "SimplyComplex: The Immune System Reproduction and Making Sense (and Use) of Science" By Tracy Morris About 20 percent of couples who seek help for their inability to conceive are handed the devastating diagnosis of "unexplained infertility." Another emotionally jarring diagnostic label, that of recurrent miscarriage" (also called recurrent pregnancy loss or RPL,) is given to a smaller but significant percentage of people trying to have a baby. RPL usually describes patients who have conceived but lost pregnancies three times or more. Both sets of patients those who have unexplained infertility and those with RPL may benefit from looking into a highly specialized branch of reproductive medicine: the field of reproductive immunology. The Immune System: It's Everywhere Now If you grew up in the 1970's or later, you may not be aware of just how recent our growth in knowledge is about the human body's immune system. In fact, the term "immune system" only originated in the late 1960's, even though the groundwork for its study had been laid over 150 years earlier by British scientist Edward Jenner. The development of immunology as a field of research and treatment has paralleled the expansion in our holistic understanding of the body. Unlike most other fields of medicine in which physicians become very specifically trained in a particular, chosen system, for example, the cardiac system, the study of immunology and its application in clinical practice can find its way into virtually any realm of medical specialty. As Dr. Benjamin Rivnay, Vice President and Lab Director of Repromedix Corporation, puts it, "There is no significant address for immune related problems. It's a system that is not confined to a single organ or even a set of organs, such as in the case of, say, the kidneys or the cardiac system." Just as immunology warrants an encompassing view of the human body and its functions, says Rivnay, the condition of infertility is often the result of multiple aspects. `Some infertility," the scientist explains, "may be traced to a specific situation, such as a gene defect. Some examples of that are Gaucher's disease or cystic fibrosis. But for many patients, this ability to pinpoint a cause simply is not feasible." Accordingly, the American Society for Reproductive Immunology, founded in 1981, includes among its diverse membership molecular biologists, microbiologists, geneticists, pediatricians, infectious disease specialists, animal scientists, and more, in addition to the expected OB/Gyns and endocrinologists. Immunology 101 More Than You Want to Know The term "immune system" refers to all the components in your body that work toward defending it against harmful entities. It would be impossible to learn about the entire immune system through a single magazine article (although you can find a lot of great details in Hildy Silverman's article, "Your Own Worst Enemy: Autoimmune Disorders and Infertility", from the June 2004 issue of inFertility Times magazine.) For a complete glossary of immunology related terms, see http://repro-med.net/glossary.php on the website of the Alan E. Beer Center for Reproductive Immunology and Genetics. It should be noted at this point that, while it is helpful to break down the related terms to make learning about them easier, the truth is that all of these components work together in a very complicated mix of constant stimulus-response interactions. The best situation for a body to be in immunologically is to have all systems ready to go and functioning well. There are some checks and balances built in, fortunately, to keep a minimal level of protection going even when one or more of the components aren't working well. There are also, as most of us know, some disease circumstances that can add up to an illness-causing or even life-threatening break in the system. Diseases of the immune system might be over-simplified as resulting from either too little (immunodeficiency) or too much response. Immunology 201 What You Really Need to Know Immunodeficiency is a condition in which a body is not adequately defending itself against invaders. A well-known example is AIDS (acquired immune deficiency syndrome), and there a number of other immunity-debilitating diseases that are either congenital or acquired. Some medical treatments, particularly chemotherapy and those for organ transplant patients, actively work to induce immunodeficiency as part of the therapy. At the other end of immunity's continuum, a body's immune responses may over-react, essentially battling against "good" cells it has mistaken for invaders. "Autoimmune disorders" is the term used to refer to these conditions. Common examples of autoimmune disorders include lupus Type 1 diabetes mellitus rheumatoid arthritis psoriasis Sjogren's syndrome multiple sclerosis inflammatory bowel diseases such as Crohn's and ulcerative colitis myasthenia gravis scleroderma thyroid diseases such as Hashimoto's and Grave's Addison's disease What causes immune conditions to occur? Some, such as AIDS, are caused by viral infection. Some are medically- induced, such as by chemotherapy. Many are passed down through families, genetically. The exact causes of many immune disorders have simply not yet been nailed down by science. Some of these diseases can lie dormant and without symptoms until certain environmental factors (for example, nutrition, stress, body fat) kick-start them into doing their damage. Where do these conditions occur, which body parts are affected? Because, as Dr. Rivnay puts it, "Most of the immune system `happens' in the blood," virtually any organ can be impacted by immune diseases. How are immune diseases treated? Essentially, disorders of the immune system are chronic (meaning they continue indefinitely) and progressive (meaning they get worse over time if un-challenged), so treatment is often confined to tackling the symptoms of the disease, not the root cause. For example, insulin injections may regulate blood sugar for diabetics, but it does not end their diabetes. For those with immunodeficient conditions, experimental medicines may be available to try and "crank up" the body's immune system. Similarly, immunity-suppressing drugs are being investigated for use in "turning down" autoimmune responses. Connecting Immunology of Reproduction How the whole concept of immunology factors into conception and pregnancy is almost as complicated as the immune system itself. A woman's body may actively work against pregnancy as if the conceptus the unique creation resulting from combination of an egg cell and sperm cell were an invader. It's generally understood that in order for a genetically unique person to begin and continue growing within a woman s body, some very intricate temporary readjustments must be made by the mother's immune system. When these adjustments go awry, either as the result of a pre-existing condition in the mother or because the presence of the conceptus has activated an immune response, the result can be infertility, primarily due to implantation problems and recurrent early miscarriage. Fortunately for people who are trying to conceive and need more hope, the past three decades have seen tremendous growth in the diagnosis and treatment of immune-related fertility problems. The past decade in particular, Rivnay says, has seen an explosion in research that explores "the interface between systems such as coagulation and immunology or the endocrine system and immunology." Still, there are many reproductive experts of the highest caliber who minimize the prevalence of infertility, including RPL, that stems from immune system issues. As a result, some practitioners may not be willing to discuss possible options for immunology testing or resulting treatment protocols. Many will only refer their patients for this more specialized testing after several miscarriages. Laypeople usually find themselves more bewildered after trying to find out the facts themselves by reading professional studies, which range from supportive to dismissive of the questions regarding immunology and infertility. The good news is that a pioneer in the treatment of immunology-based infertility and miscarriage, Dr. Alan E. Beer, believes that "the debate is totally over" between scientists and clinicians who are all eager to assist their patients yet want to avoid instilling false hope or futile costs. Clearing the Confusion When asked why he thinks patients are still able to find completely conflicting studies on whether or not reproductive immunology will provide their family-building answers, Dr. Beer, a past president of the American Society for Reproductive Immunology and a practicing OB/Gyn who has spent his entire academic career looking at the intersection between immunology and infertility, says simply that "We were dealing with such a focused part of immunology that was incredibly complicated, so that physicians didn't really have the tools or the background to understand a lot of what was being written." "But it's totally clear now," Beer elaborates hopefully, "I think that all reproductive endocrinologists would now agree that too much tumor necrosis factor (TNF) alpha, produced by natural killer cells, paralyzes the embtyo. It doesn't kill the embryo, it causes inactivation of the DNA within the embryo so that within two hours, these cells stop growing and dividing." Dr. Rivnay wonders, "When will people [who are comparing research studies] stop looking for high levels of incidence in infertility to gauge significance? Infertility in itself is too multi-factorial to have such expectations. Dr. Beer cites his own and others' research as indicating that the problem found in patients with RPL is actually worse in patients with IVF failures and primarily for those who experienced primary infertility. "These individuals have elevations in natural killer cells that they're born with. They've also produced NK cells that they're not born with and that are the same kind found in patients with rheumatoid arthritis. In our patients, though, these cells migrate to the uterus, where the cells wait to damage an embryo as soon it appears. If the levels of TNF-alpha production is above 40 (on the assay), then I know it routinely damages DNA in the eggs she produces so that any embryos she creates via IVF are likely of poor quality." More good news Beer and his staff have seen treatment for the above- described condition, which is merely one of many that can occur within a woman's immune system, result in healing within just under 18 weeks. The specific testing in these cases have been: the NK assay Th-1, Th-2 Intracellular Cytokine assay Those are just a couple of the many tests that can now be administered for diagnostic purposes. There are only a handful of labs in the U.S. that specialize in reproductive immunology testing, and all have become adept at working in partnership with a patient's own fertility practitioner, regardless of location. Treatment depends on the issue determined by testing to be the cause of either conception, implantation, or pregnancy problems. Some cases can be effectively managed through the use of donor gametes or embryos, PGD with IVF, common blood thinning agents (such heparin and aspirin), and intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIg) therapy, among others. So should anyone who wants to get pregnant inquire about these very specialized diagnostic tests, or is the more common course of trying to conceive, seeing what happens, and then seeking specialty care the better route? While many current reproductive Immunology tests are diagnostic in scope, meaning that they seek something that is going wrong right now, others are being developed that are predictive. An example is the Embryo Toxic Factor test, which Dr. Rivnay describes "will look at the potential for maternal immune response during pregnancy. Dr. Beer recommends that anyone who is even slightly concerned can start by taking his free "informational immunological self-tests" online, beginning at www.repro-med.net/tests/stest.php Reproductive Immunology Testing for All? "All of the immunity disorders," says Beer, "have at their basis the activated natural killer cells." That's not to say that anyone with immunity-related diseases will invariably have fertility or pregnancy problems, but their chances are higher. The term "red flag" can be heard frequently when talking about immunology. As it relates to conception and miscarriage, it is interchangeable women who already know that they have certain immune- based or related disorders might expect to have higher chances of fertility problems, while on the other hand, otherwise healthy (or at least, undiagnosed) women might consider their infertility experiences to be possible signals that an underlying immunology condition may be present. Beer and others have said that if a person has failed three or more IVF cycles, there is a very high likelihood (Beer cites up to 70 percent) that immune issues are a factor. Scientist Rivnay agrees that overall knowledge of the immune system has been difficult to introduce into medical clinics, for a variety of reasons. He states a recognition of the need to control costs, for one thing. As such, he agrees that across-the-board testing of all pregnant women for some conditions that may only turn up positive in one percent of the population is, well, over the top. On the other hand, he uses the following road-trip analogy to express testing benefits: "If you're going on a long car journey, and you find at the outset that your brake lights aren't working, you look into the cause of the problem and fix it before beginning the journey You'll want to examine all possible causes of the broken light. is it just a burned-out bulb or are the brakes not working properly? If you simply change the bulb the easiest and most immediately visible problem you might miss a piece of the puzzle that is so important it impacts your entire trip. In short, you cannot say with assurance that you know the entire system is functioning if you have only looked at one component of the system. Such assumptions can be detrimental in their impact on your journey's goals." "There's no guesswork in this business," Beer says confidently. "If a problem exists, we can find it, and the chances of it being corrected vary by age." His Center's success rates range from a mw of 17 percent for women who are between age 43 and 46 to a high of 78 percent for 30 to 35 year olds. Unlike many infertility practices, Beer and his colleagues around the world have focused on older hopeful moms who have already experienced a number of failed pregnancies. Soon, Beer will be presenting what he knows with the help of co-author Julia Kantecki, in patient-friendly language, with an upcoming book appropriately called, "Is Your Body Baby-Friendly?" Beer says everything he espouses in the book tentatively subtitled "Unexplained infertility, unexplained miscarriage, unexplained IVF failure -explained for the first time ever: An insight into the field of reproductive immunology by Alan E. Beer" will be backed up by references to soothe any lingering critics. For the thousands of individuals and couples haunted by the uneasy limbo of the unexplained, answers to their mysteries will be long overdue. The following laboratories will be happy to answer your detailed Reproductive Immunology testing questions: The Alan E. Beer Center for Reproductive Immunology & Genetics repro-med.net Millenova Immunology Laboratories millenova.com Nora LLC www.multiplemiscarriage.com Repromedix Corporation repromedix.com You can also find patient-based support here: Yahoo Reproductive Immunology Support http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/immunologysupport
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I have NO coverage for IF but my insurance covered every penny of the immune testing. I'm sure this varies based on the plan, but I literally didn't pay a cent.
Hope that's helpful! Lauren P.S. I very, very highly recommend doing immune testing through Dr. Alan Beer (mentioned in the article above.) Not only does he code all the testing as "autoimmune disorder" but his testing is also the most comprehensive in the nation. Most of his patients have never met him; they do the tests locally and he consults with them by phone. He provides a complete protocol starting pre-conception and ending six weeks after delivery. I'm lucky enough to live half an hour away from his office, so I've met him and know his staff quite well. http://www.repro-med.net P.P.S. I am on my second cycle ttc since my immune dx and tx. Due to my aggressive endometriosis, I'll be doing IVF this cycle. Ordinarily Dr. Beer recommends natural cycles (even to people who have had multiple failed IVF's including with donor eggs!) The man is a miracle worker. |
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