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Old 04-29-2005, 11:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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To tell or not to tell....any opinions

Well DH and I are considering another IVF cycle. With this comes a hard question for me to answer. Whether or not to tell my family and/or friends. I am fairly sure that I will not tell my friends. Not that we should not but it was so hard to answer all the question after everything was canceled. I did not even get to the waiting period, which I am sure is worse.

So now comes my..Delima..I am actually looking forward to trying again BUT comments made by my Mother (who is really close to the only family I really talk to..she shares everything with everyone else so I do not need to talk to them)..makes me not what to tell her either. Is that bad?

I think if I end up with a BFP and get to call her with the good news..that is can go two ways..she can feel like I do not trust her enough to involve her or she will be all excited and not care that we did not let anyone in on it.

I do not want her to feel slighted, but I do not want to go through the same 'Maybe god is telling you, you have all you need' response.

Does anyone else go through thoughts like this? I am sure I can not be the only one.

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Old 04-29-2005, 11:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You know, our parents are the only ones who know that I even have an IF problem. We told them about our 1st & 2nd cycles, & let them know that we were going to do it. When we did our last cycle, we didn't tell a soul that we were cycling. (well, except for my friends here!!) It was SO much better to surprise them like "normal" people get to do & they didn't even really ask questions. Like I said, none of our other family/friends know of my IF issues, so for them, they had no clue anyway.

Personally, I would rather not tell everyone (if people knew of my situation) because the pain of even having to tell my dad, my mom & my in-laws (which was only 3 calls to make) of the BFN hurt beyond belief, as you know. It was bad enough to have to deal with the pain & frustration of reliving that moment over & over again, but to add more salt to the wounds by having to make 3 more calls & explain it again x 3.....

I'm glad that we didn't tell our parents about our last cycle. It was better that way, for us at least!

In light of the way I'm reading your post, I think it would be better to just not say anything at all. You don't need to deal with that kind of junk when you're already stressed about the cycle. I'm sure that once you tell your mom that you're pregnant, she won't think about why you didn't tell her. Besides, perhaps you could even just say that you didn't do anything & that it just happened. Not sure how you'd feel about lying to her, but sometimes that's what needs to be done.

Good luck with your decision! No, you're not alone! This question has been asked MANY times!!

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Old 04-29-2005, 11:53 AM   #3 (permalink)
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We told family and friends the first cycle and it was such a pain going back to them afterwards saying it didn't work. Plus, friends were calling me during the 2ww asking how I was feeling, etc. I know that meant well but, it was really annoying to me. The 2nd time we didn't tell anyone and it was so much better. I did end of telling family a friends after the fact. This 3rd time we didn't tell any family or friends but, I think our moms have figured it out and just aren't saying anything to us.

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Old 04-29-2005, 11:54 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If you do not wnat to have to deal with all of the questions I would not tell them. We told everyone that we were ttc the first time around, but chose to tell only a few family members this time, and only because I am not going to summer school this year and I am taking the summer off from work because my DH just wants me to relax some this summer, so everyone knew that something is up. I have to drive a long way to the RE's and everyone would wonder where I am all of the time too. That is one of the disadvantages of living in a small southern town! My MIL has a big mouth too, but she was told this time by DH that we are doing IVF and WE would inform her if we thought that there was anything that we wanted her to know because it just upsets me to talk about it all of the time and we could not risk the stress of making me nervous about it. He told her nicely, but he laid down the law! She has not asked ANYTHING about my treatment at all, even when I mention something about it! If you decide NOT to tell her then I think that I would just say that you both decided not to tell anyone again to get their hopes up again just in case it did not work. I am also posting a copy of a letter that I got off of another website that many people have given to their families...



To help sensitize your family to what you are going through, we have prepared a guide that you can fill in, photocopy, and give your family members. Titled "About (fill in your name here)'s Infertility," the guide is designed to help open the topic for discussion. Write your name in the appropriate blank spaces to make the guide more personal. You may also rewrite the following pages to express yourself in your own way.


About __________'s Infertility

________________ knows that you love her and want her to be happy, to be her "old self" again. But lately, she seems isolated, depressed and obsessed with the idea of having a baby.

You are probably have difficulty understanding why getting pregnant has colored virtually every aspect of her daily life. _____________ hopes that by reading this booklet, written by psychologists with both personal and professional experience with infertility, you will better understand the pain she is feeling. The booklet also will tell you how you can help her.

SOME FACTS ABOUT INFERTILITY

It may surprise you to know that one out of six women who wants to have a baby cannot conceive. There are many possible reasons for this dismal statistic: blocked fallopian tubes, ovarian failure, hormonal imbalances, toxic exposure, husband's low sperm count, to name just a few. Moreover, after a woman turns 35, it becomes difficult to have a baby primarily because many of the eggs she has left are defective.

All these barriers to pregnancy are physical or physiological, not psychological. Tubes don't become blocked because a woman is "trying too hard" to get pregnant. Antibodies that kill sperm will not disappear if a woman simply relaxes. And a man cannot make his sperm swim faster by developing a more optimistic outlook.

WELL-MEANING ADVICE

When someone we care about has a problem, it is natural to try to help. If there's nothing specific that we can do, we try to give helpful advice. Often, we draw on our personal experiences or on anecdotes involving other people we know. Perhaps you recall a friend who had trouble getting pregnant until she and her husband went to a tropical island. So you suggest that ____________ and her husband take a vacation, too.

________________ appreciates your advice, but she cannot use it because of the physical nature of her problem. Not only can't she use your advice, the sound of it upsets her greatly. Indeed, she's probably inundated with this sort of advice at every turn. Imagine how frustrating it must be for her to hear about other couples who "magically" become pregnant during a vacation simply by making love. To _______________, who is undergoing infertility treatment, making love and conceiving a child have very little to do with one another, now. You can't imagine how hard she's been trying to have this baby and how crushed she feels every month she learns that she's failed again. Your well-meaning advice is an attempt to transform an extremely complicated predicament into a simplistic little problem. By simplifying her problem in this manner, you've diminished the validity of her emotions, making her feel psychologically undervalued. Naturally, she will feel angry and upset with you under these circumstances.

The truth is: There's practically nothing concrete you can do to help ______________. The best help you can provide is to be understanding and supportive. It's easier to be supportive if you can appreciate how being unable to have a baby can be such a devastating blow.

WHY NOT HAVING A BABY IS SO UPSETTING

Women are reared with the expectation that they will have a baby someday. They've thought about themselves in a motherhood role ever since they played with dolls. A woman may not even consider herself part of the adult world unless she is a parent. When ______________ thinks she cannot have a baby, she feels like "defective merchandise." Not having a baby is literally a matter of life and death. In the Bible, Rachel was barren. She said to Jacob "Give me children or I die ..." (Genesis 30:1). Commenting on this, some sages said, "One who is childless is considered dead." So powerful are the feelings connected with barrenness that the person feels dead or wants to die.

Worse, _________________ is not even certain that she will never have a baby. One of the cruelest things you can do to a person is give them hope and then not come through. Modern medicine has created this double-edged sword. It offers hope where there previously was none -- but at the price of slim odds.

WHAT MODERN MEDICINE HAS TO OFFER THE INFERTILE WOMAN.

In the past decade, reproductive medicine has made major breakthroughs that enable women, who in the past were unable to have children, to now conceive. The use of drugs such as Pergonal can increase the number and size of eggs that a woman produces thereby increasing her chances of fertilization. In vitro fertilization (IVF) techniques extract a woman's eggs and mix them with sperm in a "test tube" and allow them to fertilize in a laboratory. The embryo can then be transferred back to the woman's uterus. There are many other options, as well.

Despite the hope these technologies offer, they are a hard row to hoe. Some high-tech procedures are offered only at a few places, which may force ______________ to travel great distances. Even if the treatment is available locally, the patient must endure repeated doctor's visits, take daily injections, shuffle work and social schedules to accommodate various procedures, and lay out considerable sums of money -- money that may or may not be reimbursed by insurance. All of this is preceded by a battery of diagnostic tests that can be both embarrassing and extremely painful.

Infertility is a highly personal medical condition, one that ____________ may feel uncomfortable discussing with her employer. So, she is faced with coming up with excuses whenever her treatment interferes with her job. Meanwhile, she is devoting considerable time and energy to managing a mountain of claims forms and other paperwork required by insurers.

After every medical attempt at making her pregnant, _______________ must play a waiting game that is peppered with spurts of optimism and pessimism. It is an emotional roller coaster. She doesn't know if her swollen breasts are a sign of pregnancy or a side effect of the fertility drugs. If she sees a spot of blood on her underwear, she doesn't know if an embryo is trying to implant or her period is about to begin. If she is not pregnant after an IVF procedure, she will feel as though her baby died. How can a person grieve for a life that existed only in her mind?

While trying to cope with this emotional turmoil, she gets invited to a baby shower or Christening, learns that a friend or colleague is pregnant, or she reads about a one-day-old infant found abandoned in a Dumpster. Can you try to imagine her envy, her rage over the inequities in life? Given that infertility permeates practically every facet of her existence, is it any wonder why she is obsessed with her quest?

Every month, _________________ wonders whether this will finally be her month. If is isn't, she wonders if she can she muster the energy to try again. Will she be able to afford another procedure? How much longer will her husband continue to be supportive? Will she be forced to give up her dream?

So when you speak with ______________, try to empathize with the burdens on her mind and on her heart. She knows you care about her, and she may need to talk with you about her ordeal. But she knows that there is nothing you can say or do to make her pregnant. And she fears that you will offer a suggestion that will trigger even more despair.

WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ____________?

You can give her support, and don't criticize her for any steps she may be taking -- such as not attending a nephew's bris -- to protect herself from emotional trauma. You can say something like this:

I care about you. After reading this booklet, I have a better idea about how hard this must be for you. I wish I could help. I'm here to listen to you and cry with you, if you feel like crying. I'm here to cheer you on when you feel as though there is no hope. You can talk to me. I care.

The most important thing to remember is that ______________ is distraught and very worried. Listen to what she has to say, but do not judge. Do not belittle her feelings. Don't try to pretend that everything will be OK. Don't sell her on fatalism with statements like, "What will be will be." If that were truly the case, what's the point of using medical technology to try to accomplish what nature cannot?

Your willingness to listen can be of great help. Infertile women feel cut off from other people. Your ability to listen and support her will help her handle the stress she's experiencing. Her infertility is one of the most difficult situations she will ever have to deal with.

PROBLEM SITUATIONS

Just as an ordinary room can be an obstacle course to a blind person, so can the everyday world be full of hazards for an infertile woman -- hazards which do not exist for women with children.

She goes to her sister-in-law's house for Thanksgiving. Her cousin is breast-feeding. The men are watching the football game while the women talk about the problems with their kids. She feels left out, to say the least.

Thanksgiving is an example of the many holidays that are particularly difficult for her. They mark the passage of time. She remembers what came to mind last Thanksgiving -- that the next year, she would have a new son or daughter to show off to her family.

Each holiday presents its own unique burden to the infertile woman. Valentine's day reminds her of her romance, love, marriage -- and the family she may never be able to create. Mother's Day and Father's Day? Their difficulties are obvious.

Mundane activities like a walk down the street or going to the shopping mall are packed with land mines. Seeing women pushing baby carriages and strollers strikes a raw nerve. While watching TV, ___________ is bombarded by commercials for diapers, baby food, and early pregnancy tests.

At a party, someone asks how long she's been married and whether she has any kids. She feels like running out of the room, but she can't. If she talks about being infertile, she's likely to get well-intentioned advice -- just the thing she doesn't need: "Just relax. Don't worry. It will happen soon," or "You're lucky. I've had it with my kids. I wish I had your freedom." These are the kinds of comments that make her want to crawl under the nearest sofa and die.

Escape into work and career can be impossible. Watching her dream shatter on a monthly basis, she can have difficulty investing energy in advancing her career. All around, her co-workers are getting pregnant. Going to a baby shower is painful -- but so is distancing herself from social occasions celebrated by her colleagues.

THE BOTTOM LINE

Because she is infertile, life is extremely stressful for __________________. She's doing her best to cope. Please be understanding. Sometimes she will be depressed. Sometimes she will be angry. Sometimes she will be physically and emotionally exhausted. She's not going to be "the same old _______________" she used to be. She won't want to do many of the things she used to do.

She has no idea when, or if, her problem will be solved. She's engaged in an emotionally and financially taxing venture with a low probability of success. Overall, only about 11 percent of those people using special fertility treatments succeed in having a baby. The odds are even lower for women over 40. The longer she perseveres, however, the greater her chances of pregnancy become.

Maybe someday she will be successful. Maybe someday she will give up and turn to adoption, or come to terms with living a childless life. At present, though, she has no idea what will happen. It's all she can do to keep going from one day to the next. She does not know why this is her lot. Nobody does. All she knows is the horrible anguish that she lives with every day.

Please care about her. Please be sensitive to her situation. Give her your support, she needs it and wants it.

This activity appears on pages 199-205 in "Getting pregnant When You Thought You Couldn't".
If you like what you read and want a copy of the book, you can order it on-line.

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Old 04-29-2005, 11:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Only tell people you think will be supportive. You don't owe anyone an explaination. If you weren't facing IF would you call your mom and say, "hey, DH and I are having sex tonight?" Talking about IF should be about you getting support, not input (unless you have asked for that). Personally I told quite a few friends, but spoke very little to my parents about it. It's not that they weren't supportive, they just made me feel uncomfortable and it felt like there was more pressure. My friends could support me, but had no personal stake in any of it (it wasn't their future grandchildren).

Everyone needs to make their own call, but don't worry about the "shoulds." If it doesn't feel right, don't do it.

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Old 04-29-2005, 12:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Well, we told NO ONE - not a single IRL person! Not that my FT buddies aren't "real", but we’re way too private and after you’ve failed so many times that you really lose faith, it’s just easier to deal with the disappointments on your own (IMHO)…

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Old 04-29-2005, 01:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Well it is nice to see that others have kept silent as well.

Marya - That just cracked me up! I would never call my parents and say 'hey getting some tonight!'

Thanks for replying..

I really and truely feel that we should not tell our family..and I know I will not tell my friends.

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Old 04-29-2005, 01:56 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I will do everything different when we do our second IVF this summer. Last time, our immediate families and most of our friends knew. The weekend after our transfer we were at a party, and someone told EVERYONE there that I was pg with twins (misunderstanding that transferring two embryos didn't mean they would implant). Everyone was congratulating us and it felt really ominous, like I knew it wouldn't work and I'd have to see all those people again. Ugh!

Our next IVF will involve going out of state, so our families will know, but we are not telling friends. At least I'M not -- DH suffers from chronic verbal incontinence.
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Everyone feels so different about this situation. In time, I have learned that other than my IF buddies, the rest of the world is not really interested in the details in the steps I take to have a child. In the beginning I was very upfront and wanted everyone to know, now, as time has gone on (a year and 1/2 later), I pretty much keep things to myself. I only share detailed info with other IF people who understand and when others ask I just say "it takes time and we are still working on things".
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I have told Friends and Family but if I had to do this again, and I hope I don't, I won't tell anyone. I find that people are just plain ignorant about IVF and even if I try to explain they either don't "get it" or they don't want to get it. It's too frustrating for me and it stresses me too much. The follow up questions are sometimes too much to take. I thought I was going to get support but instead I mostly got a headache by being open..I won't make that mistake again.

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