took eggs out too late?!? Anyone heard of this?

cooroo · 03-30-2005, 05:58 PM

I talked briefly on the phone with my RE yesterday and he said there is a possibility they took my eggs out too late. Here's the story:

Kept going in for sonos. Eggs were growing. Thought we'd do ER on a Monday or Tuesday. Then decided they weren't quite big enough. Decided for Tuesday or Wednesday. yet another u/s. Then decided for Thursday.

Took out 12. 2 post-mature. 2 pre-mature. 8 good ones. 6 fertilized. BUT then when the day came for ET, only one had grown to 2-cell. Transferred the little guy.

Next day got a call. Two more miraculously started growing, but only to 4 and 6-cell. Transferred them.

BFN

Now my doc said that since I'm so small (5' tall and usually 96 lbs), he's wondering if a) my uterine lining is small (usually around 6 with triple stripe) and b) my eggs are just mature when smaller--both due to my small size. And he's wondering if they just waited too long to get those eggs to 20 and that's why they fizzled out.

HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE????

xo-Coo

SomedayMommy · 03-30-2005, 06:15 PM

Coo, I can honestly say that I hadn't heard of that before, but hey! With IVF#2, it's worth a shot to go a day earlier than they would have! You are a tiny little thing! I don't consider ANYTHING impossible in the IVF world anymore.

cooroo · 03-31-2005, 10:40 AM

bump....

Cause I really want to find out if anyone has ever heard of this going on.

AmyLeigh · 03-31-2005, 10:58 AM

Coo...

Gosh, I have never heard of any correlation/relation to someones stature VS how well they cycle...

never. Sounds like a new theory to me... ask him to produce papers/documents/proof on this. Being from a medical family, you know what I mean.

And him saying he thinks they may have taken the eggs out too late ??? Ask him what he plans on doing with the next cycle... to INSURE this doesn't happen, if indeed it's what happened this time.

I sure hope there will be more out there who can help ya !! xoxoox

SammysMom · 03-31-2005, 11:01 AM

Coo, I didn't experience this with my IVF's, but I did experience it with my IUI's. I would have a great number of follicles and the RE (different than the one I have now) would say well come back tomorrow to see how they are. Mind you, he did no E2 testing to check to see how mature they were, just the u/s. Well, on several IUI's I would go in for the insemination and low and behold, no follicles: they popped. When the eggs were released, he didn't know, and I never became pregnant. I knew it was because he waited too long and let them mature too much. My hunch was confirmed when my current RE was able to get me pregnant (chemical) with a converted IVF to IUI the first time. All I can say, is I'm sorry and that hopefully this news will help you with your next cycle.

Camel01 · 03-31-2005, 11:39 AM

Coo,
I have never heard of this either. I don't have a lot of experience though.
It seems like the only thing that would be affected by taking them too late is that you would lose the too ripe ones.
I only had 7 good eggs, only 3 fertilized but those 3 all were good quality on the 3rd day. So, it seems like your eggs didn't like the dish??? That I have heard of.
Also, I don't think I ever got my lining over 6.5 (have no idea if I had a triple stripe or not) and I'm a bigger girl. 5'7'' 155lb.
I think I would get a 2nd opinion from another RE if that is an option for you. There is just so much at stake when we're doing this.
Good Luck!
LeighAnn

MegSD · 03-31-2005, 01:25 PM

I’ve never heard of the correlation between one’s physical stature and follicle size, but I certainly have heard of retrieval being done too late! My RE typically waits until the follies are 18 before the HCG – probably where you were on Tuesday. My first cycle they waited too long (IMHO) and we only had 7 retrieved, with 4 fertilizing (then dying out) and an (obvious) BFN…

You left out a very important fact – what were your E2’s?? The US is nice, but the E2’s tell what’s REALLY going on inside…

-Meg

cooroo · 03-31-2005, 04:40 PM

My E2 ws 2361 several days before I retrieved. My follies were growing slowly, and he wanted the lead ones to reach 20, but they never quite made it, so they just decided to go in since there were several between 18-19.

Meg --I'm interested in why you think they waited too long on your first cycle. Is it because they fertilized but then didn't divide? Because that is why he thinks maybe they should have taken mine out earlier. He was SHOCKED that my 6 fert eggs didn't want to divide. They just assumed that they were set to get me several really nice embies. And they were truly shocked.

Incidentally, while on Clomid my follies grew to 20 no problem, but after 6 IUIs of several varieties, I had two BFPs that turned to m/c, and they're now wondering if the eggs were over-mature.

I am switching to a new doc after a few months off, so this one won't get another chance to test his theory, but I want the new doc to be aware.

Thanks for your answers!
Coo

Rach97 · 03-31-2005, 05:58 PM

Follicles around 20, 19, 18 should be perfect for being on FSH meds. I beleive naturally we can grow one to around 23-24mm before it bursts. It sounds suspect that an RE would come up with the conclusion that your body is smaller so therefore your follicles develop smaller. All consideration should be given to your cycle, lining, and blood levels.

It's a great idea to get a second or even third opinion. My first clomed cycle was pos. which resulted in mc and I beleive the loss was due to a thin lining. My lining was only 6+mm for that first trans. and the RE didn't appreciate being challenged about its thickness. Clomed is scientifically known to thin some peoples' lining which is not good to achieve and sustain pg.

Sometimes your follicles are ready, but your body isn't. After four long years, I kept going back to the original premise that my lining was an issue that needed to be addressed with hormonal therapy.

We went through three RE's until our most recent one agreed to treat my lining empirially with triple progesterone, estrogen patches, and baby aspirin (it worked). I don't think we would of had success without extra support meds. and creative thinking.

Keep plugging away for answers that fit your particular body and needs. Best wishes.

34 yrs TTC 4 yrs, DH is 39
IUI#1 pg\mc 9w
IUI#2, 3, 4, 5 All BFN
IUI-IVF#1
IVF#2,3
FET#1,2
Natural Chem. pg\loss
IVF#4 BFP 3/6

03-30-2005, 05:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
cooroo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CA Posts: 1,308	took eggs out too late?!? Anyone heard of this? I talked briefly on the phone with my RE yesterday and he said there is a possibility they took my eggs out too late. Here's the story: Kept going in for sonos. Eggs were growing. Thought we'd do ER on a Monday or Tuesday. Then decided they weren't quite big enough. Decided for Tuesday or Wednesday. yet another u/s. Then decided for Thursday. Took out 12. 2 post-mature. 2 pre-mature. 8 good ones. 6 fertilized. BUT then when the day came for ET, only one had grown to 2-cell. Transferred the little guy. Next day got a call. Two more miraculously started growing, but only to 4 and 6-cell. Transferred them. BFN Now my doc said that since I'm so small (5' tall and usually 96 lbs), he's wondering if a) my uterine lining is small (usually around 6 with triple stripe) and b) my eggs are just mature when smaller--both due to my small size. And he's wondering if they just waited too long to get those eggs to 20 and that's why they fizzled out. HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE???? xo-Coo __________________ ttc: 4+ yrs me: 36, DH: 37 3 natural m/c 6 IUIs: 4 BFN, 1 m/c, 1 chem IVF #1 BFN IVF #2 BFN NO MORE TX Going to China Late Summer '07??? Last edited by cooroo; 03-30-2005 at 06:03 PM.

03-30-2005, 06:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
SomedayMommy 10000-15000 post ace of hearts Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 16,194 Blog Entries: 75	Coo, I can honestly say that I hadn't heard of that before, but hey! With IVF#2, it's worth a shot to go a day earlier than they would have! You are a tiny little thing! I don't consider ANYTHING impossible in the IVF world anymore. __________________ Stacie(37) DH(30) Bilateral hydros (cauterized), elevated dheas IVF#1 8/02 BFN -- IVF#2 3/05 BFN -- FET#1 6/05 BFN IVF#3 9/05 BFP Ben 4/29/06 -- FET#2 11/07 BFN IVF#4 5/08 BFP Ashley 1/2/09

03-31-2005, 10:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
cooroo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CA Posts: 1,308	bump.... Cause I really want to find out if anyone has ever heard of this going on. __________________ ttc: 4+ yrs me: 36, DH: 37 3 natural m/c 6 IUIs: 4 BFN, 1 m/c, 1 chem IVF #1 BFN IVF #2 BFN NO MORE TX Going to China Late Summer '07???

03-31-2005, 10:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
AmyLeigh 5000-9999 post king of hearts Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 6,667	Coo... Gosh, I have never heard of any correlation/relation to someones stature VS how well they cycle... never. Sounds like a new theory to me... ask him to produce papers/documents/proof on this. Being from a medical family, you know what I mean. And him saying he thinks they may have taken the eggs out too late ??? Ask him what he plans on doing with the next cycle... to INSURE this doesn't happen, if indeed it's what happened this time. I sure hope there will be more out there who can help ya !! xoxoox __________________ AmyLeigh 41, DH 40 ttc... 7 yrs with 11 failed cycles (4 IUI/3 ZIFTs/4 IVFs/1 FET) 1st DE/FET- +++ twin boys due 2/4/06 Born 12/20/05: Benjamin 5.12oz and Connor 2.8oz the loves of our lives !!!

03-31-2005, 11:01 AM	#5 (permalink)
SammysMom Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 958	preg ment Coo, I didn't experience this with my IVF's, but I did experience it with my IUI's. I would have a great number of follicles and the RE (different than the one I have now) would say well come back tomorrow to see how they are. Mind you, he did no E2 testing to check to see how mature they were, just the u/s. Well, on several IUI's I would go in for the insemination and low and behold, no follicles: they popped. When the eggs were released, he didn't know, and I never became pregnant. I knew it was because he waited too long and let them mature too much. My hunch was confirmed when my current RE was able to get me pregnant (chemical) with a converted IVF to IUI the first time. All I can say, is I'm sorry and that hopefully this news will help you with your next cycle.

Currently Active Chat Room Users: 0 \| Scheduled Chat Room Events
	Users in Chat Rooms: No one's chatting right now!

03-31-2005, 11:39 AM	#6 (permalink)
Camel01 1000-4999 post queen of hearts Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,544	Coo, I have never heard of this either. I don't have a lot of experience though. It seems like the only thing that would be affected by taking them too late is that you would lose the too ripe ones. I only had 7 good eggs, only 3 fertilized but those 3 all were good quality on the 3rd day. So, it seems like your eggs didn't like the dish??? That I have heard of. Also, I don't think I ever got my lining over 6.5 (have no idea if I had a triple stripe or not) and I'm a bigger girl. 5'7'' 155lb. I think I would get a 2nd opinion from another RE if that is an option for you. There is just so much at stake when we're doing this. Good Luck! LeighAnn __________________ Ashlyn 10/12/05

03-31-2005, 01:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
MegSD 1000-4999 post queen of hearts Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,826 Blog Entries: 70	I’ve never heard of the correlation between one’s physical stature and follicle size, but I certainly have heard of retrieval being done too late! My RE typically waits until the follies are 18 before the HCG – probably where you were on Tuesday. My first cycle they waited too long (IMHO) and we only had 7 retrieved, with 4 fertilizing (then dying out) and an (obvious) BFN… You left out a very important fact – what were your E2’s?? The US is nice, but the E2’s tell what’s REALLY going on inside… -Meg

03-31-2005, 04:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
cooroo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CA Posts: 1,308	My E2 ws 2361 several days before I retrieved. My follies were growing slowly, and he wanted the lead ones to reach 20, but they never quite made it, so they just decided to go in since there were several between 18-19. Meg --I'm interested in why you think they waited too long on your first cycle. Is it because they fertilized but then didn't divide? Because that is why he thinks maybe they should have taken mine out earlier. He was SHOCKED that my 6 fert eggs didn't want to divide. They just assumed that they were set to get me several really nice embies. And they were truly shocked. Incidentally, while on Clomid my follies grew to 20 no problem, but after 6 IUIs of several varieties, I had two BFPs that turned to m/c, and they're now wondering if the eggs were over-mature. I am switching to a new doc after a few months off, so this one won't get another chance to test his theory, but I want the new doc to be aware. Thanks for your answers! Coo __________________ ttc: 4+ yrs me: 36, DH: 37 3 natural m/c 6 IUIs: 4 BFN, 1 m/c, 1 chem IVF #1 BFN IVF #2 BFN NO MORE TX Going to China Late Summer '07???

03-31-2005, 05:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rach97 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 362	Coo Follicles around 20, 19, 18 should be perfect for being on FSH meds. I beleive naturally we can grow one to around 23-24mm before it bursts. It sounds suspect that an RE would come up with the conclusion that your body is smaller so therefore your follicles develop smaller. All consideration should be given to your cycle, lining, and blood levels. It's a great idea to get a second or even third opinion. My first clomed cycle was pos. which resulted in mc and I beleive the loss was due to a thin lining. My lining was only 6+mm for that first trans. and the RE didn't appreciate being challenged about its thickness. Clomed is scientifically known to thin some peoples' lining which is not good to achieve and sustain pg. Sometimes your follicles are ready, but your body isn't. After four long years, I kept going back to the original premise that my lining was an issue that needed to be addressed with hormonal therapy. We went through three RE's until our most recent one agreed to treat my lining empirially with triple progesterone, estrogen patches, and baby aspirin (it worked). I don't think we would of had success without extra support meds. and creative thinking. Keep plugging away for answers that fit your particular body and needs. Best wishes. 34 yrs TTC 4 yrs, DH is 39 IUI#1 pg\mc 9w IUI#2, 3, 4, 5 All BFN IUI-IVF#1 IVF#2,3 FET#1,2 Natural Chem. pg\loss IVF#4 BFP 3/6

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Too late for using up Easter eggs?	Suzi	Favorite Recipes	4	04-07-2005 01:59 PM
UK: People donating sperm and eggs will no longer have right to remain anonymous	nathanzmom	Donor Issues (Egg & Sperm)	2	04-05-2005 09:29 AM
Quality vs Quanity of Donor eggs?	50/50	Donor Issues (Egg & Sperm)	21	03-11-2005 01:09 PM
This is so silly!!	punky	August	9	02-18-2005 02:28 PM
iui question: when is it too late in the cycle to trigger?	kelly18	Intrauterine Insemination (IUI)	13	02-10-2005 09:26 AM

VISIT OUR SISTER SITES:
JustMommies Pregnancy Calendar	eHarmony Advice Dating Advice	Project Wedding Wedding Songs	Weddingbee Wedding Blog