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    does tea help your blood clot?

    I recently started drinking ice tea, and I started wondering if it had Vit. k in it, so I email Lipton and they responded and said this..... Some doctors advise patients on blood thinners to avoid drinking tea. Tea is not a dietary source of vitamin K. However, other compounds in tea may provide a coagulant effect. Check with your doctor to determine if the Vitamin K content in tea is the concern or if its potential coagulant effects are the issue even thought it is not a dietary source of Vitamin K. Thanks for your interest!Your friends at Lipton .
    Have you heard any thing about this?


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    THAT is very interesting!! I have never heard that. I'm betting it's an everything in moderation type of situation though - you'd probably have to down quite a bit to see any effect. I doubt the occasional cup of tea will hurt anything. I'm not giving it up. I've given up enough! :-(


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    crystal,
    I thought Vit. K is usually associated with anti-coagulant effects?? for example on Coumadin I'm not supposed to increase my diet in any sources high in Vit K like broccoli or other other things that can end up making too much thinning of the blood??

    In any case, I believe as Ms.S. says, everything in moderation and I stay away from all processed/packaged stuff like the iced tea anyway -rather brew my own from tea bags and add my own sugars than ingest that sweetner stuff they put in the drinks...

    water or soda water with lemon & lime slices is a better, refreshing alternative also prg. safe.
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    Here's what the Coumadin.com website says about Vit K - COUMADIN® blocks the formation of vitamin K-dependent clotting factors in your liver. Vitamin K is needed to make clotting factors that help the blood to clot and prevent bleeding-
    They even list off foods with the vit k content High Med and Low, and acutally I found tea on there! It's low! And yes I'm talking about home brewed tea from bags.
    I basically avoid foods high in Vit k for now, because I don't need anymore clotting going on. I have a print out that I keep in my kitchen to reference, however it did not list tea on it. The coumadin website has a lot off info on this Vit.
    In my previous pg. the 1st thing I would do is try to eat healthy foods like spinach salad everyday, now looking back I was contributing to my problem. At least now I know better.


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    the problem with vitamin K is that it inhibits the coumadin from working as well, therefore making your blood levels go up and down. with the tea, it is green tea that has that effect. also, my hema. advises me not to stay away from vitamin k foods (which are all healthy veggies) but, to stay consistant in how much i eat daily, so that when my blood level is checked it stays consistant as well. if you are being closely monitored (which you should be if you are on coumadin) they should be able to see when your levels are not therapudic. the blood levels that they are looking for does not mean how thick or thin your blood is, but whether or not you have enough coumadin in your blood. so, eating vitamin k foods does not produce or contribute to blood clots.
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    jassy,
    yes thank you I did know that consistency for intake of anything that you are already eating in your diet was more important than actually stopping or increasing intake of some vegs that may have high Vit K content.

    I do think there is some confusion as to whether just plain ol' eating vit K rick vegs, spinach salad, green tea, etc. is actually THICKENING the clotting process??... as I understand your comment, it is not so, it is just the interaction between coumadin (as measured thru blood levels) and the Vit K - it does sound like the Vit K clot formation w/d be inhibited and actually produce MORE of an anti-coagulant effect when taking the coumadin... I guess crystal's concerns are would eating vit K rich foods compound a clotting problem if she's on the normal type of blood thinners like heparin/lovenox??

    thx for any help here!
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    Hi ladies,

    Ally just directed me over here because we were having a like discussion via email. I'm also confused on the issue mainly because I have a clotting disorder, AM NOT on blood thinners...I'm using alternative remedies because my hematol. won't put me on any unless I get pg...and with the New Year I went on a health kick. The whole eat 5 lbs. of green veggies type of kick. Well, I ended up with the worst leg cramps/pain. The same type I was having with my last pg & m/c. I had forgotten about the whole vit. K thing. So I don't know if it's "just keep your vit. k levels steady when you're on xxx blood thinners". I think if you have a clotting problem, eating large amts of vit. K is just one more way to increase your coagulation (make your blood clot faster).

    I don't know if these specialists even know EVERYTHING. My hematologist (from a highly regarded practice) couldn't even really tell me how much of a risk high fibrinogen was, when I could find plenty of info on the net about it, including studies. Just another example that you can't always believe what you hear from a dr. nor read on the internet.

    Just my own experience/2 cents...

    And I had no idea about regular old tea!! The odd thing is I really don't have any problems just drinking green tea (sans the mega-veggies). I'm hoping coffee doesn't have any cause I'm not giving it up, lol.


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    ally----
    lovenox and vitamin K have NO interactions. lovenox works completely differently than coumadin and when i was on lovenox i had no dietary restictions. SO basically, if you are not on coumadin, then you don't have to worry about vitamin K b/c it only interacts with coumadin. even though those shot suck big time, at least when i was on the lovenox i didn't have to keep track of all the vit k stuff!


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    I also found this article:

    http://greentealovers.com/greenteahe...conditions.htm

    It states that green tea actually has circulatory benefits such as vasodilation of arteries (a good thing) and green tea significantly reduces fibrinogen over black tea. For someone like me who has elevated fibrinogen (a theoretical clotting risk) that would be good. But then the opposite side of that is I think their is a risk of miscarriage with someone who has a fibrinogen deficiency.

    So whether it's good for you depends on the person I guess. I would bet the circulatory benefits outweigh the fact that it has vit. K for most people.


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