Quality over Quantity, right?-New Fert Report

deeja · 09-13-2005, 12:16 PM

Help! I'm distressed! The RE called me (bad sign) and told me the following:
27 eggs, 24 were mature, of the 24, 12 degenerated on their own. Out of the 12 remaining eggs only 4 fertilized. He said sperm was perfect and this may just be a "fluke" but hopefully age of donor is on our side. If he has 2 embryos by transfer he considers that success.

Question of the hour: My RE ONLY does day 5 transfer....should I push for day 3?? I feel down in the dumps but want to feel positive still. Need stories from all of you that had similar stats. Thanks......

50/50 · 09-13-2005, 12:36 PM

Oh no.

If it were me I would push for a 3 day with only 4 eggs. I am so sorry that this has happened but like everyone says it only takes one. You will prob hate hearing that as I did when I got my egg count.

I wanted to tell you that a friend of mine did an ivf with her own eggs and only had 2 eggs r/t, only one embryo made it to the 3 day transfer and she just had her healthy baby boy a little while ago. It can happen Deeja. Keep positive and yes it's definately Quality over quanity.

Will be keeping your 4 embies in my thoughts and sending you many positive vibes. Good luck!

50/50 · 09-13-2005, 12:48 PM

Deeja- I wanted to tell you another story....this one is very similar to yours. A woman that I was cycling with on another site had a lot of DE eggs r/t but only 3 made it to 3 day...she transferred all of them and is now pg with twins!

Emily'sMom · 09-13-2005, 01:53 PM

Oh Deeja .. big ((((HUGS)))) I really wasn't expecting this. Well it is quantity over quality, although we all know from experience that we're always more comfortable with quantity AND expect excellent quality (using young donor eggs).

If it were me, I'd definately push for a day 3 transfer and I'd probably transfer whatever I had still going on day 3! Given you have a young donor I have to believe they'd still be okay on day 5, but God forbid they aren't, I'd always be second guessing myself for not trying to get them to agree to a day 3 transfer.

Try your best to stay positive, we all have to work with the hand we're dealt and hope for the best. Praying real hard your 4 embies continue to divide and make perfect embies & babies for you.

Keep us posted. ((((HUGS))))

**BC-KarenS-MI** · 09-13-2005, 02:15 PM

Oh deeja!!

It really honestly IS quality over quantity, but that does leave you feeling so scared & unsure. I would absolutely INSIST & fight with every ounce of my being for a 3dt. Make sure that you put your foot down & remind him that you're paying him, not the other way around. Some RE's like 5dt's, but honestly, they don't really have the right to tell you that you can't have your little ones back in you sooner, if that's what you choose!! They do better inside of you than in a dish any way, so push for your little ones sweetie!!

I'll be praying for your little ones & will be watching for your next update!!

Karen

Laenae · 09-14-2005, 06:17 AM

Sorry to hear about the fert. results. I would discuss with your doctor whether it would be better to have a 3dt over a 5dt. I never had a 3dt, but most women here swear by it. I hope your 4 embies make it. Looking forward to your update. :hug

deeja · 09-14-2005, 04:36 PM

Well...all 4 embies are still plugging along! We have x2 "2 Cell" and x2 "4 cell" embryos as of this morning (day 2)....2 grade 0 and 2 are grade 1...brought up the 3dt over 5dt and my RE said absolutley not! well well well....he said that 5dt gives more time for them to divide and up the success chances plus he has a great track record for DE IVF ...he was at 100% success in the last year! So, I'm going with it.......please keep on praying!! Thanks!

flicka7 · 09-15-2005, 06:38 AM

If they're going to make it to implantation and a full term baby, they'll make it to day 5 in a dish! Not to worry!!! Sorry you don't have more embryos, but I'm sure you'll have a couple of good ones to work with. Good Luck!

50/50 · 09-15-2005, 07:38 AM

Gosh, Deeja I'm sorry your RE is not more flexible with your request. But it sounds like he knows what he is doing. I am crossing my fingers and toes that your 4 embies will make it to day 5! Best of luck!

sskeele · 09-15-2005, 07:49 AM

Deeja,

I had a 3d that didn't work, and a 5d transfer that ended up getting me preg with twins. I believe in 5d.

Shell

09-13-2005, 12:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
deeja Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 182	Quality over Quantity, right?-New Fert Report Help! I'm distressed! The RE called me (bad sign) and told me the following: 27 eggs, 24 were mature, of the 24, 12 degenerated on their own. Out of the 12 remaining eggs only 4 fertilized. He said sperm was perfect and this may just be a "fluke" but hopefully age of donor is on our side. If he has 2 embryos by transfer he considers that success. Question of the hour: My RE ONLY does day 5 transfer....should I push for day 3?? I feel down in the dumps but want to feel positive still. Need stories from all of you that had similar stats. Thanks......

09-13-2005, 01:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Emily'sMom 5000-9999 post king of hearts Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 5,973	Oh Deeja .. big ((((HUGS)))) I really wasn't expecting this. Well it is quantity over quality, although we all know from experience that we're always more comfortable with quantity AND expect excellent quality (using young donor eggs). If it were me, I'd definately push for a day 3 transfer and I'd probably transfer whatever I had still going on day 3! Given you have a young donor I have to believe they'd still be okay on day 5, but God forbid they aren't, I'd always be second guessing myself for not trying to get them to agree to a day 3 transfer. Try your best to stay positive, we all have to work with the hand we're dealt and hope for the best. Praying real hard your 4 embies continue to divide and make perfect embies & babies for you. Keep us posted. ((((HUGS)))) __________________ Ellen Mommy to a sweet miracle - Emily- 3/02 1st DEIVF - TWINS!!!! - Alexander David and - Katelyn Rose Arrived at 35w on 2/6/06

09-13-2005, 02:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
BC-KarenS-MI Board Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 28,043	Oh deeja!! It really honestly IS quality over quantity, but that does leave you feeling so scared & unsure. I would absolutely INSIST & fight with every ounce of my being for a 3dt. Make sure that you put your foot down & remind him that you're paying him, not the other way around. Some RE's like 5dt's, but honestly, they don't really have the right to tell you that you can't have your little ones back in you sooner, if that's what you choose!! They do better inside of you than in a dish any way, so push for your little ones sweetie!! I'll be praying for your little ones & will be watching for your next update!! Karen __________________ ttc #1 for 7 1/2 years ~ IVF #1, 6-93, cancelled; IVF#2/rescue ICSI- 7-99, failed ~(switched RE's) ZIFT/ICSI- 1-00, successful w/twins, lost 1 at 8w ~ ZIFT/ICSI #2, to try for #2- March '03- successful ~ GS- IVF #1, 7-05 failed. FET 10-05- BFP, m/c 5w5d

09-14-2005, 06:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
Laenae 1000-4999 post queen of hearts Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Blue State but Red State kind of Gal Posts: 2,497	Sorry to hear about the fert. results. I would discuss with your doctor whether it would be better to have a 3dt over a 5dt. I never had a 3dt, but most women here swear by it. I hope your 4 embies make it. Looking forward to your update. :hug __________________ Age 48/DH 44 - Married 23 yrs. K 02/19/00 (Clomid/C-Section) High Risk PG 12 IUIs/inject.; 6 IVFs; 1 FET; 1 M/C –Twins M 11/10/05 ~ High Risk PG - (C-Section) "Live a Good Life! And in the end, its not the years in a life that count...it's the life in your years!" Abraham Lincoln

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09-13-2005, 12:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
50/50 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,927 Blog Entries: 18	Oh no. If it were me I would push for a 3 day with only 4 eggs. I am so sorry that this has happened but like everyone says it only takes one. You will prob hate hearing that as I did when I got my egg count. I wanted to tell you that a friend of mine did an ivf with her own eggs and only had 2 eggs r/t, only one embryo made it to the 3 day transfer and she just had her healthy baby boy a little while ago. It can happen Deeja. Keep positive and yes it's definately Quality over quanity. Will be keeping your 4 embies in my thoughts and sending you many positive vibes. Good luck!

09-13-2005, 12:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
50/50 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,927 Blog Entries: 18	Deeja- I wanted to tell you another story....this one is very similar to yours. A woman that I was cycling with on another site had a lot of DE eggs r/t but only 3 made it to 3 day...she transferred all of them and is now pg with twins!

09-14-2005, 04:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
deeja Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 182	Well...all 4 embies are still plugging along! We have x2 "2 Cell" and x2 "4 cell" embryos as of this morning (day 2)....2 grade 0 and 2 are grade 1...brought up the 3dt over 5dt and my RE said absolutley not! well well well....he said that 5dt gives more time for them to divide and up the success chances plus he has a great track record for DE IVF ...he was at 100% success in the last year! So, I'm going with it.......please keep on praying!! Thanks!

09-15-2005, 07:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
50/50 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,927 Blog Entries: 18	Gosh, Deeja I'm sorry your RE is not more flexible with your request. But it sounds like he knows what he is doing. I am crossing my fingers and toes that your 4 embies will make it to day 5! Best of luck!

09-15-2005, 07:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
sskeele Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 140	Deeja, I had a 3d that didn't work, and a 5d transfer that ended up getting me preg with twins. I believe in 5d. Shell

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