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Old 11-19-2009, 06:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Th importance of profits over employees

and so it goes over and over and over. And the contempt these people have for the very employees tht made the profits possible, and the incredible greed...makes me sick.

News ● U.S. House of Representatives

EDUCATION & LABOR COMMITTEE

Congressman George Miller, Chairman

Thursday, November 19, 2009

Press Office, 202-226-0853

Executives Received Hundreds of Millions of Dollars Before Dropping Workers’ Pensions, GAO Finds

Executive compensation should be linked to the fate of pensions they oversee, Chairman Miller says

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Forty executives at ten high-profile corporations that terminated their workers’ pensions collected at least $350 million in compensation in the years leading to pension termination, the Government Accountability Office reported today. The investigation was requested by U.S. Rep. George Miller (D-CA), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee.



The companies surveyed by the GAO – which the Congressional watchdog agency did not identify – included major airlines, electronics, insurance and steel companies that filed for bankruptcy in the last decade and dumped their pension liabilities onto the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation. PBGC provides pension protection for 44 million workers and is responsible for administering benefits for more than a million Americans.



“It is fundamentally wrong that executives were able to line their pockets with millions of dollars from bonuses, stock options and free joyrides on corporate jets, while watching their workers’ retirement security slip into peril,” said Miller. “Executive compensation and golden parachutes should be aligned to the fate of workers’ retirement plan. This will create an incentive for executives to fix workers’ pension plans before they go broke.”



Miller said the he is considering legislation that will freeze executive compensation if the company’s rank-and-file pension plan becomes significantly underfunded.



While rank-and-file employees face freezes or cuts in benefits if their pension plan’s liabilities significantly outstrip assets, there are no laws that link the underfunding of workers’ pension plans to an executive’s benefits. GAO found that millions of dollars in executives’ retirement and other fringe benefits were protected from bankruptcy while some workers saw a drastic reduction in benefits.



The GAO also found:



· At four companies, executives received $49.5 million in retirement, deferred compensation or severance pay. Four executives at one airline alone received $32.6 million in retirement and deferred compensation.

· Executives at some companies received salaries in excess of $10 million dollars in the years leading up to bankruptcy.

· Some executives received millions of dollars in stock awards, income tax reimbursements, retention bonuses, severance packages, and supplemental executive-only retirement.

· Some were provided other benefits such as apartments, personal trips on company airplanes and helicopters, club memberships, legal fee reimbursement, and automobiles.

· The families and executives at one insurance firm used the company’s Boeing 727 and Sikorsky helicopter for personal trips to, among other exotic locations, China, Spain, Greece and Hawaii.



To read the full GAO report, click here: http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications...

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Old 11-19-2009, 07:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Without profits, there are no companies to hire any employees. If a company's shareholders object to how the company is run, then the executives are out of a job. Public companies are owned by the shareholders, not the employees. Unless the employees buy shares.

No one HAS to work for a particular company. I left a particular company because I didn't like how it treated its employees. That company went belly up about a year after I left. I was upper management. The owners walked away with a bunch of money when the company was bought up by a larger one. I now work for a HUGE privately held firm where the CEO most likely makes about 10 million dollars a year. The lowest paid employee in the company is a minimum wage employee that CAN QUIT AT ANY TIME.

What you want is socialism. Instead of trying to make this country into your Marxist dream, there are many Marxist countries you could emigrate to.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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...there are many Marxist countries you could emigrate to.
There's that special Right Wing invite all over again. The rug was pulled out from under the workers with no prior notice. Not enough notice for them to have left the job 10, 15, 20 years ealier and have decent retirements to fall back on....your comment takes non of that into consideration. It's like I'd said before, "I got mine so screw them" mentality not only from those execs...but ITK, your's smack of that too..
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Old 11-20-2009, 08:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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There's that special Right Wing invite all over again. The rug was pulled out from under the workers with no prior notice. Not enough notice for them to have left the job 10, 15, 20 years ealier and have decent retirements to fall back on....your comment takes non of that into consideration. It's like I'd said before, "I got mine so screw them" mentality not only from those execs...but ITK, your's smack of that too..
You continue to fail to realize that the purpose of a corporation is to make money. I suggest you start a corporation and hire all of those people and give them the job security you think they deserve.


Yup, I am inviting you and all Marxists to find a Marxist country that would be more to your liking, rather than continue to force your socialist/Marxist policies on our republic. Call it Right Wing if you want, but I prefer to call it The ITK Invitation.
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:30 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Why does the PBGC cover these penions if they are so significantly underfunded? Why not make adequate funding a prerequisite for coverage? These plans are audited and have to meet certian funding requirements to retain their tax exempt status. So why is this allowed to happen? The workers feel they are safe because the PBGC insures the plan, the owners of the company are not out to screw the workers, just maxinize the compensation they receive. There are systems in place to protect the workers, it just appears that they are not working. So go after the beauracrats that mucked up the situation iin the first place, not those that do what they are entitled to do legally, receive max legal compensation. Do I think that its obscene that people are paid $350 million - absolutely - in many cases. Taxpayers will not be able to continue to shore up the pension plans of these failed companies, but I beleive that the current Admin wants to saddle the govt with as much debt and contingent liabilites as possible, so I don't see this changing.
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Hey ITK, you calling me a marxist? Based on one statement or my overall political philosophy...which you happen to know all about bacause...? You attempt to name call without any functional information. And when did it change from socialist...remember you called me that too? And it makes you look......well...I'm sure plenty here have an opinon of what you are coming across as.
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Hey ITK, you calling me a marxist? Based on one statement or my overall political philosophy...which you happen to know all about bacause...? You attempt to name call without any functional information. And when did it change from socialist...remember you called me that too? And it makes you look......well...I'm sure plenty here have an opinon of what you are coming across as.
Yes, I think you are a Marxist. Not a whole lot of difference between a Socialist, Marxist or Statist when it comes down to basic philosophy.

So, what part of Marxism are you at odds with?
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There's that special Right Wing invite all over again. The rug was pulled out from under the workers with no prior notice. Not enough notice for them to have left the job 10, 15, 20 years ealier and have decent retirements to fall back on....your comment takes non of that into consideration. It's like I'd said before, "I got mine so screw them" mentality not only from those execs...but ITK, your's smack of that too..
What do you think of Bill Gates? Microsoft laid off 5,000 people this year. Yet, since late October, he's cashed in more than 1/2 billion in stock options. Does he qualify as a 'screw you' evil exec?
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Employers are not in business to lose money. And where are all those govn't jobs for the currently unemployed?

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Old 11-23-2009, 06:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Yeah I think a few forget that those big bad corporations create jobs AND also want to make a profit. Why would I start a business and force myself to take a paycut only to make what my workers make??? As a worker, I want the business I work for to be profitable so that I can MAINTAIN my job.
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