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Old 11-18-2009, 06:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Do you agree with Palin?

She derides Obama for asking the Jewish settlements to relinquish occupying territory that is Palistinian. She says that the Jews should just go ahead and occupy Palastinian territory. From her recent interview with Barbara Walters. What are your thoughts?

Think Progress Palin: ‘Jewish Settlements Should Expand,’ Even In Palestinian Areas
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WALTERS: The Obama administration does not want Israel to build any more settlements on what they consider Palestinian territory. What is your view on this?

PALIN: I disagree with the Obama administration on that. I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon, because that population of Israel is, is going to grow. More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead. And I don’t think that the Obama administration has any right to tell Israel that the Jewish settlements cannot expand.

WALTERS: Even if it’s [in] Palestinian areas?

PALIN: I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expand.

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Old 11-18-2009, 06:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree that this country has no right to tell Israel what to do...
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree that this country has no right to tell Israel what to do...
Do we have the right to tell Iran not to develop a nuclear bomb?

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Old 11-18-2009, 08:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Iran's bombs have a direct effect on our security..building camps in Israel does not..

Israel does not have a history of taking our people hostage then TORTURING them....

Israel's President has not stated that the "annihilation of the US is at hand" like Ammidinaejin has


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Old 11-18-2009, 08:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Iran's bombs have a direct effect on our security..building camps in Israel does not..

Israel does not have a history of taking our people hostage then TORTURING them....

Israel's President has not stated that the "annihilation of the US is at hand" like Ammidinaejin has


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I didn't say it was the same or even similar. I simply asked whether the U.S. has the right to tell another country what it can or cannot do and I used Iran as an example.

Does any other country have the right to tell the U.S. what to do?

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Old 11-18-2009, 08:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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circle time children.....
Maura, you NEVER answer a question..you come on with more questions..you IMPLIED that I was wrong to say we have no bidness telling Israel what to do and YOU connected it to Iran, a completely different threat level to the USA...
to act as if you did not connect the two is duplicitous

You did NOT ask "whether the U.S. has the right to tell another country what it can or cannot do"; you asked THIS: Do we have the right to tell Iran not to develop a nuclear bomb


you wanted so badly to get on here and show that mean old robine a thing or two and it backfired when Robine had a well thought out answer instead of just another circle jerk response



and if that country whatever it may be, has already attacked Americans ( as Iran has in1979 when "students" swarmed our embassy) or has a leader who states one of his goals is to eradicate us, then yes, by God we have a right to tell them what to do..most likely that rogue nation will flip us off


if another country feels the need to tell us what to do, more power to them..we are not bound to listen
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Old 11-18-2009, 09:00 PM   #7 (permalink)
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circle time children.....
Maura, you NEVER answer a question..you come on with more questions..you IMPLIED that I was wrong to say we have no bidness telling Israel what to do and YOU connected it to Iran, a completely different threat level to the USA...
to act as if you did not connect the two is duplicitous

You did NOT ask "whether the U.S. has the right to tell another country what it can or cannot do"; you asked THIS: Do we have the right to tell Iran not to develop a nuclear bomb


you wanted so badly to get on here and show that mean old robine a thing or two and it backfired when Robine had a well thought out answer instead of just another circle jerk response



and if that country whatever it may be, has already attacked Americans ( as Iran has in1979 when "students" swarmed our embassy) or has a leader who states one of his goals is to eradicate us, then yes, by God we have a right to tell them what to do..most likely that rogue nation will flip us off


if another country feels the need to tell us what to do, more power to them..we are not bound to listen
I don't even know where to start. So, I think I'll just sign off for the night and come back tomorrow.

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Old 11-19-2009, 03:08 AM   #8 (permalink)
 
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No,
The US does not.. and the UN does and has. The US has a right as a part of the UN to be a part of the enforcement.

As for the settlements. I'll help you with your homework..

•The land is disputed. Both Arabs and Jews have claims and since there was no other sovereign authority, Israel, representing the Palestinian Jews, had as much right to settle people there as the Palestinian Arabs. The last internationally recognized sovereign was the Ottoman Empire, a distant and oppressive ruler. Israel captured the West Bank land from Jordan that had overrun the land in 1948 when it had just emerged from the British Mandate. Gaza was captured from Egypt who had overrun it in 1948. There never was a Palestine or other country that Israel invaded and "stole the land"


•There had been Jewish communities and dwellers in the West Bank long before 1967 or even 1948. In, for example, Hebron and Gush Etzion, both sites of massacres by Arabs in which large numbers of Jews were killed. Kfar Etzion and other villages in the Jerusalem-Bethlehem corridor, fell to Arab forces in May 1948 and those captured were massacred. Sons and daughters of Jews who lived there until 1948 were the first to return after the 1967 war. Why prohibit former residents or their families from returning?


•The land belonged to Jews. Near Jerusalem, for example, Palestinians describe Gilo as a neighborhood built on "West Bank land annexed to Jerusalem" that they consider an "illegal Jewish settlement". Suddenly Gilo, an integral part of Jerusalem proper for years, seems subject to negotiation, at least in the public mind. As to the "illegality" of Gilo, the vacant land in the Gilo area was purchased, before World War II, by a group of young Jewish lawyers, including Dov Yosef, who later became one of David Ben Gurion's most important advisors and government ministers. When the land was taken back from the Jordanians in 1967, it was returned to its owners.


•The so-called West Bank, according to the Bible and tradition, represents the cradle of Jewish civilization, and some Jews, driven by faith and history, wanted to reassert that link. The area was called Judea and Samaria, its name in the Bible, up until 1950 when Jordan, an Arab country created arbitrarily by the British out of 77% of the Mandate for Palestine, annexed it and called it the West Bank


•The Israeli government believed that certain settlements could serve a useful security purpose as a buffer against future attacks like the ones in 1948, 1967, 1973


•Some Israeli officials felt that building settlements, and thus creating facts on the ground, might hasten the day when the Palestinian Arabs, presumably realizing that time was not on their side, would talk peace

If you'd like to read more about why Palin is absolutely CORRECT...
What about the settlements?
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Old 11-19-2009, 05:22 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I have no idea...I do not know enough about it to answer the question directly. But I can tell you this: On other issues I agree a heck of a lot more with Palin than I do with Obama.
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Old 11-19-2009, 05:50 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Your definition of 'deride' must differ from mine, and most dictionaries. I see quotes of Palin stating her views. I don't see any derision of President Obama by Palin with any of the quotes you provided. Where I DO see derision, is within the thinkprogress blog.

I think that if you dig deep enough, you will find quotes from most politicians that will both appease and distress both Israel and Palestine, depending on where the politician is standing and who the politician is addressing. Where they really stand, who knows?
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