Obama awarded Nobel Peace Prize?

MaryK-MN · 10-09-2009, 04:34 AM

I thought that's what I heard that on TV. Was sure I didn't hear something right. Sure enough, he did?!

WTF?! WAAAAYYYYY to soon in his life/career/office to be awarded anything like that. He hasn't done anything of significance yet.

Quote:

Rather than recognizing concrete achievement, the 2009 prize appeared intended to support initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing the world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change.

I am befuddled by this... I want "fruit born." and I have supported him.

**BC-pepper** · 10-09-2009, 04:40 AM

Totally WTF

LandJ · 10-09-2009, 04:44 AM

Even the reporters in the room gasped when they announced his name. The tv "experts" are all saying he got it b/c 1. he's not GWB and 2. more for "tone" of office rather than what he's done.

First Gore and now this. Seems they've lost some credibility with me.

robine · 10-09-2009, 04:46 AM

I about fell off my chair when I read this

totally bogus and the prize has been diminished now and forever in MY view

Lech Welesa type of action for peace is what I am thinking of

Mikhail Gorbachev and his refusal to allow communist hardliners to oppress people anymore..

Even Jimmy Carter's work but Obama????????????????????????????????????

GirlMom · 10-09-2009, 05:01 AM

I was surprised too... I'm just not gettin' it.

LBWP · 10-09-2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GirlMom

I was surprised too... I'm just not gettin' it.

Ditto. I feel like what Robine has said.

"totally bogus and the prize has been diminished now & forever in MY view"

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robine · 10-09-2009, 05:27 AM

In case some here were too young, allow me to introduce you to a REAL winner, Mr. Lech Walesea:

Wałęsa was born in Popowo, Poland, on 29 September 1943, to a carpenter and his wife. He attended primary and vocational school, before entering Lenin Shipyard in Gdańsk (Stocznia Gdańska im. Lenina, now Stocznia Gdańska) as an electrical technician in 1970. In 1969 he married Danuta Gołoś, and the couple now have eight children[1]. His son Jarosław Wałęsa is a member of Poland's Sejm (lower house of the Polish parliament). Lech Wałęsa is a devout Roman Catholic, and has said that his faith always helped him during Solidarity's difficult moments.
[edit] Solidarity

He was a member of the illegal strike committee in Gdańsk Shipyard in 1970 (Polish 1970 protests).

In 1976, Wałęsa lost his job in Gdańsk Shipyard.

In June 1978 he joined the illegal underground Free Trade Unions of the Coast (Wolne Związki Zawodowe Wybrzeża), organized by Bogdan Borusewicz, Andrzej Gwiazda, ********f Wyszkowski, Lech Kaczyński, Anna Walentynowicz, Antoni Sokołowski, and others.

On 14 August 1980, after the beginning of an occupational strike in the Lenin Shipyard of Gdańsk, Wałęsa became the leader of this strike. The strike was spontaneously followed by similar strikes, first in Gdańsk, and then across Poland.

In September of that year, the Communist government signed an agreement with the Strike Coordination Committee to allow legal organization, but not actual free trade unions. The Strike Coordination Committee legalized itself into National Coordination Committee of Solidarność (Solidarity) Free Trade Union, and Wałęsa was chosen as a chairman of this Committee.

Wałęsa kept this position until 13 December 1981, when he was arrested. General ******** Jaruzelski declared a state of martial law on 13 December. Wałęsa was incarcerated for 11 months in eastern Poland in several villages (Chylice, Otwock and Arłamów near the Soviet border) until 14 November 1982.

In 1983, he applied to come back to Gdańsk Shipyard as a simple electrician. The year 1983 also saw Wałęsa being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. He was unable to receive the prize himself, fearing that the government would not let him back in. His wife, Danuta Wałęsa, received the prize in his place.

From 1987 to 1990 Wałęsa organized and led, the "half-illegal" Temporary Executive Committee of Solidarity Trade Union. In 1988 Wałęsa organized an occupational strike in Gdańsk Shipyard, demanding only the re-legalisation of the Solidarity Trade Union. After eighty days the government agreed to enter into talks in September. Wałęsa was an informal leader of the "non-governmental" side during the talks. During the talks the government signed an agreement to re-establish the Solidarity Trade Union and to organize "half-free" elections to the Polish parliament.

In 1989, Wałęsa organized and led the Citizenship Committee of the Chairman of Solidarity Trade Union. Formally, it was just an advisory body, but, practically, it was a kind of a political party, which won parliament elections in 1989 (the Opposition took all seats in the Sejm that were subject of free elections and all but one seats in the newly re-established senate; according to the Round Table agreements only members of the Communist Party and its allies could stand for the remaining 64% of seats in the Sejm).
US President George H. W. Bush (right) and Barbara Bush (left) with Wałęsa (center) in Warsaw, July 1989.
Wałęsa leading the Solidarity movement
Round-table negotiations

While technically just a Chairman of Solidarity Trade Union at the time, Wałęsa played a key role in Polish politics. At the end of 1989, he persuaded leaders from formerly Communist ally parties to form a non-communist coalition government, which was the first non-Communist government in the Soviet Bloc's sphere of influence. After that agreement the parliament chose Tadeusz Mazowiecki for prime minister of Poland. Poland, while still a Communist country in theory, started to change its economy to a market-based system.

He is the only private foreign citizen to address a joint session of the United States Congress, which he did on 15 November 1989 [2]. He was also the first recipient of the Liberty Medal on 4 July 1989 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In his acceptance speech, he said, "Liberty is not only a right, but also our common responsibility and duty."[3]

Documents coming to light as of June 2008 allege that Wałęsa had been a collaborator of the Communist secret police (Polish: tajny współpracownik) under the pseudonym "Bolek", well prior to the formation of Solidarity.[4][5] Walesa himself denies any collaboration and there is no substantiation of these rumors.[6][7] On 11 August 2000, the Appellate Court of Warsaw, V Wydział Lustracyjny, declared that Wałęsa's Lustration Statement is true, meaning he did not collaborate with the Communist regime.
[edit] Presidency and afterwards

On 9 December 1990, Wałęsa won the presidential election to become president of Poland for the next five years. During his presidency, he started a so-called "war at the top" which practically meant changing the government annually. His style of presidency was strongly criticized by most of the political parties, and he lost most of the initial public support by the end of 1995. After downfall of the Jan Olszewski cabinet on June 1992, and following the unveiling of a list of secret collaborators by Minister of Internal Affairs Antoni Macierewicz, Lech Wałęsa was allegedly linked with illegal prosecution and disintegration of Polish conservative and independent rightist parties

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pathetic to compare the "works" to come to the actual works of a man who was fired, imprisoned and torurted for standing up to communism..What a disgrace, pandering move by the committee

andys · 10-09-2009, 05:37 AM

Can I get one? I have some lofty "initiatives that have yet to bear fruit"? I'm all for world peace and a clean planet (although I may disagree with BO on how we get there).

robine · 10-09-2009, 05:40 AM

silly andys, you are a republican, therefore, you can not win.

andys · 10-09-2009, 05:44 AM

Don't you just have to wonder if George Soros and the american hating / one world govt supporting powers that be put pressure on the committee to recognize BO. It just makes no sense.

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robine 10000-15000 post ace of hearts Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mountaintop Posts: 18,486 Blog Entries: 1756	I about fell off my chair when I read this totally bogus and the prize has been diminished now and forever in MY view Lech Welesa type of action for peace is what I am thinking of Mikhail Gorbachev and his refusal to allow communist hardliners to oppress people anymore.. Even Jimmy Carter's work but Obama???????????????????????????????????? __________________ The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal. - Peter Brimelow How many Greats have become the Least for me? Last edited by robine; 10-09-2009 at 05:28 AM.

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robine 10000-15000 post ace of hearts Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mountaintop Posts: 18,486 Blog Entries: 1756	In case some here were too young, allow me to introduce you to a REAL winner, Mr. Lech Walesea: Wałęsa was born in Popowo, Poland, on 29 September 1943, to a carpenter and his wife. He attended primary and vocational school, before entering Lenin Shipyard in Gdańsk (Stocznia Gdańska im. Lenina, now Stocznia Gdańska) as an electrical technician in 1970. In 1969 he married Danuta Gołoś, and the couple now have eight children[1]. His son Jarosław Wałęsa is a member of Poland's Sejm (lower house of the Polish parliament). Lech Wałęsa is a devout Roman Catholic, and has said that his faith always helped him during Solidarity's difficult moments. [edit] Solidarity He was a member of the illegal strike committee in Gdańsk Shipyard in 1970 (Polish 1970 protests). In 1976, Wałęsa lost his job in Gdańsk Shipyard. In June 1978 he joined the illegal underground Free Trade Unions of the Coast (Wolne Związki Zawodowe Wybrzeża), organized by Bogdan Borusewicz, Andrzej Gwiazda, ******f Wyszkowski, Lech Kaczyński, Anna Walentynowicz, Antoni Sokołowski, and others. On 14 August 1980, after the beginning of an occupational strike in the Lenin Shipyard of Gdańsk, Wałęsa became the leader of this strike. The strike was spontaneously followed by similar strikes, first in Gdańsk, and then across Poland. In September of that year, the Communist government signed an agreement with the Strike Coordination Committee to allow legal organization, but not actual free trade unions. The Strike Coordination Committee legalized itself into National Coordination Committee of Solidarność (Solidarity) Free Trade Union, and Wałęsa was chosen as a chairman of this Committee. Wałęsa kept this position until 13 December 1981, when he was arrested. General **** Jaruzelski declared a state of martial law on 13 December. Wałęsa was incarcerated for 11 months in eastern Poland in several villages (Chylice, Otwock and Arłamów near the Soviet border) until 14 November 1982. In 1983, he applied to come back to Gdańsk Shipyard as a simple electrician. The year 1983 also saw Wałęsa being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. He was unable to receive the prize himself, fearing that the government would not let him back in. His wife, Danuta Wałęsa, received the prize in his place. From 1987 to 1990 Wałęsa organized and led, the "half-illegal" Temporary Executive Committee of Solidarity Trade Union. In 1988 Wałęsa organized an occupational strike in Gdańsk Shipyard, demanding only the re-legalisation of the Solidarity Trade Union. After eighty days the government agreed to enter into talks in September. Wałęsa was an informal leader of the "non-governmental" side during the talks. During the talks the government signed an agreement to re-establish the Solidarity Trade Union and to organize "half-free" elections to the Polish parliament. In 1989, Wałęsa organized and led the Citizenship Committee of the Chairman of Solidarity Trade Union. Formally, it was just an advisory body, but, practically, it was a kind of a political party, which won parliament elections in 1989 (the Opposition took all seats in the Sejm that were subject of free elections and all but one seats in the newly re-established senate; according to the Round Table agreements only members of the Communist Party and its allies could stand for the remaining 64% of seats in the Sejm). US President George H. W. Bush (right) and Barbara Bush (left) with Wałęsa (center) in Warsaw, July 1989. Wałęsa leading the Solidarity movement Round-table negotiations While technically just a Chairman of Solidarity Trade Union at the time, Wałęsa played a key role in Polish politics. At the end of 1989, he persuaded leaders from formerly Communist ally parties to form a non-communist coalition government, which was the first non-Communist government in the Soviet Bloc's sphere of influence. After that agreement the parliament chose Tadeusz Mazowiecki for prime minister of Poland. Poland, while still a Communist country in theory, started to change its economy to a market-based system. He is the only private foreign citizen to address a joint session of the United States Congress, which he did on 15 November 1989 [2]. He was also the first recipient of the Liberty Medal on 4 July 1989 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In his acceptance speech, he said, "Liberty is not only a right, but also our common responsibility and duty."[3] Documents coming to light as of June 2008 allege that Wałęsa had been a collaborator of the Communist secret police (Polish: tajny współpracownik) under the pseudonym "Bolek", well prior to the formation of Solidarity.[4][5] Walesa himself denies any collaboration and there is no substantiation of these rumors.[6][7] On 11 August 2000, the Appellate Court of Warsaw, V Wydział Lustracyjny, declared that Wałęsa's Lustration Statement is true, meaning he did not collaborate with the Communist regime. [edit] Presidency and afterwards On 9 December 1990, Wałęsa won the presidential election to become president of Poland for the next five years.** During his presidency, he started a so-called "war at the top" which practically meant changing the government annually. His style of presidency was strongly criticized by most of the political parties, and he lost most of the initial public support by the end of 1995. After downfall of the Jan Olszewski cabinet on June 1992, and following the unveiling of a list of secret collaborators by Minister of Internal Affairs Antoni Macierewicz, Lech Wałęsa was allegedly linked with illegal prosecution and disintegration of Polish conservative and independent rightist parties _____________________________________________ pathetic to compare the "works" to come to the actual works of a man who was fired, imprisoned and torurted for standing up to communism..What a disgrace, pandering move by the committee __________________ The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal. - Peter Brimelow How many Greats have become the Least for me? Last edited by robine; 10-09-2009 at 05:30 AM.

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andys 900-999 post jack of hearts Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 931	Can I get one? I have some lofty "initiatives that have yet to bear fruit"? I'm all for world peace and a clean planet (although I may disagree with BO on how we get there). __________________ "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship."

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andys 900-999 post jack of hearts Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 931	Don't you just have to wonder if George Soros and the american hating / one world govt supporting powers that be put pressure on the committee to recognize BO. It just makes no sense. __________________ "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship."

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