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Old 10-05-2009, 11:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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America as the last man standing

Anyone else seen/read this circulating speech? Love to hear your thoughts.

Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman of the Party for Freedom, the Netherlands, at the Four Seasons Hotel in New York, introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference™ in Jerusalem.

Geert Wilders is a Dutch Member of Parliament.


America as the last man standing

'In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who lost Europe?'

Dear friends,

Thank you very much for inviting me.

I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe . This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe .

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem .

The Europe you know is changing.

You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden. In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system..Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey .

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies, they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.�

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything.So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a danger greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem .

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe 's children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

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Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person.
And this very essence is why so many fight for a separation of church and state. But back to the article. Alarming indeed!
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I don't have enough information to know if his claims are exaggerated or if most of the Muslims living in Europe are simply peace-loving people trying to live normal peaceful lives.

One of the things that struck me that I kind of chortled at is that many of his claims of the Muslims there are the same thing said of the Mexicans here...

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The shops have signs you and I cannot read.

You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity.

These are Muslim (Hispanic) neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe (USA) .

Mohammed (Jose) is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

... recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim (Hispanic) just 12 years from now. ...has predicted a Muslim (Hispanic) majority by the end of this century.

And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants (Mexican immigrants) had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that.

...reported that half of French Muslims (Mexican immigrants) see their loyalty to Islam (Mexico) as greater than their loyalty to France (USA).
Just found that interesting.

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Old 10-05-2009, 12:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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And this very essence is why so many fight for a separation of church and state. But back to the article. Alarming indeed!
Very true. The same can be said for Christianity or any religion. They all "lay down detailed rules for society and the life of every person." Note that I am a Christian and have no animosity toward religion... but I do think it is fundamentally WRONG for my faith to be able to dictate what another person does.

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Crystal, HOWEVER, we do not punish via the court system based on Our version of Shia law.

we DO allow people to uncover or cover or partially cover, or shave or whatever their own heads..We do not beat people up because they are or are not drinking/driving/talking /eating/fornicating/etc during Christmas or Easter. We are not calling women whores if they do or do not wear a certain item of clothing.

that is the difference
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Crystal, HOWEVER, we do not punish via the court system based on Our version of Shia law.

we DO allow people to uncover or cover or partially cover, or shave or whatever their own heads..We do not beat people up because they are or are not drinking/driving/talking /eating/fornicating/etc during Christmas or Easter. We are not calling women whores if they do or do not wear a certain item of clothing.

that is the difference
Yes. But.

"Punish via the court system" is relative. You could say that the Christian principles that make say... gay marriage... illegal does punish gay people via the court system or law.

I am not saying it is just like Islam. No way could I live with that kind of oppression. But just pointing out that ALL religion "lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person." I can't think of any religion that says "Be who you are, celebrate who you are, love God, love your neighbor, and that's enough!"

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My pastor gave a similar sermon last summer. I tuned him out pretty quick. I think it's just another scare tactic. I'm not worried about Muslims ruining Europe anymore than i am worried that gay marriages will ruin my marriage.
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I am originally from the Netherlands and still have alot of family over there. I have seen first hand some of the things he is talking about. No I don't agree with all he is saying but there is some validity to it.
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I can't think of any religion that says "Be who you are, celebrate who you are, love God, love your neighbor, and that's enough!"

What about Unitarian Universalists? From what I've read, that's what they say!

(please, anyone who us UU, please either confirm or correct ).

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