Bush/Cheney lied Poll

Lesley · 09-02-2009, 03:11 PM

How many here think Bush and Cheney lied, re: to manufacture a war in Iraq?

robine · 09-02-2009, 04:05 PM

Why is this here?? In some lame attempt to divert and deflect away from BO's plummeting polls??

I mean seriously???

Lesley · 09-02-2009, 04:11 PM

lol

No, the question was recently raised and I can't see this being off topic.

MamaBear · 09-02-2009, 04:15 PM

No....I don't believe they did. They had lots of intelligence to go on. Not only our own intelligence, but that from other countries. I believe they went in with specific knowledge and beliefs of what would be found. When solid proof couldn't be found, there are three things that could be......1) mistake...not likely IMO 2) lie....I don't think so, given the various sources and 3) so much time lapsed given the repeated warnings that things were dismantled, changed and moved. High probability in this case given that SH undoubtedly had WMDs......as he used them on his own people. That is FACT that cannot be changed.
However.......when WMDs as wholes were not found (components WERE!!!) what could they say? Of course the left has run with it and claimed the very worst possible scenario.......but let us not forget, even the left saw the evidence/intelligence with their own eyes and they VOTED to go into Iraq. Of course they all turn on it to protect their own behinds and pander to the left. Had things gone as anticipated they'd all be high fiving each other and basking in their glory. Let's face it.......IF Bush had really lied.....you really think for a SECOND that the Dems wouldn't have hung him out to dry, had his and Cheney's heads on a platter and impeached them? But, they didn't.....because they COULDN'T!!! And let's suppose that it was in fact lies.......that means the whole lot of them should have gone down.

CrystalAZ · 09-02-2009, 04:18 PM

I think it is a legitimate question.

I think they may have lied (as I think *ALL* politicians lie) but I don't think they lied in order to have a war. Did they receive faulty info? Yeh. Were they lied TO? Possibly. Was the war decision made too rapidly due to the terrorism fears? Perhaps. Did they try to cover their asses whenever negative info came out? Of course.

But I don't think the entire war has been held on a fabrication. I think they truly were doing what they thought was best for us at that time. And I think history is going to be kind to Bush for that decision. Over the long run, we are doing a great thing for Iraq.

Crystal

rae · 09-02-2009, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lesley

lol

No, the question was recently raised and I can't see this being off topic.

Right, the question is often raised, by you. Like the Obama polling thread, you raised the issue of Bush and lies and 9/11. In the thread asking if anybody regretted their vote for Obama, you were the one who brought up Bush and the war in Iraq.

Desca · 09-02-2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrystalAZ

I think it is a legitimate question.

I think they may have lied (as I think *ALL* politicians lie) but I don't think they lied in order to have a war. Did they receive faulty info? Yeh. Were they lied TO? Possibly. Was the war decision made too rapidly due to the terrorism fears? Perhaps. Did they try to cover their asses whenever negative info came out? Of course.

But I don't think the entire war has been held on a fabrication. I think they truly were doing what they thought was best for us at that time. And I think history is going to be kind to Bush for that decision. Over the long run, we are doing a great thing for Iraq.

Crystal

Well said. This is what I think as well. Like it or not, Bush's presidency had to be defined by the threat of terrorism given what happened so close to the beginning of it. Maybe that led to incorrect decisions, but it was a hard thing to ignore.

Lesley · 09-02-2009, 04:57 PM

I believe Bush and Cheney had an imperative to act fast after 9-11, and given Saddam and Poppy Bush's history, there was an outlet that could be used. There seemed to be a lot of square shaped information being shoved through a small round hole to try and create some shakey coherent thread of reasonings. THAT process created a picture of something that didn't really exist. Even when conflicting information was submitted, it was denied, and suppressed. Bush and Cheney had already decided on a course of action and would accept only the information that greased those particular wheels. They twisted and turned and contorted and massaged information into what they could use for their purpose. So while I agree there was some intelligence used...it wasn't the sum total of the information that was made available to them...and they deliberately chose the path of war.

MamaBear · 09-02-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lesley

I believe Bush and Cheney had an imperative to act fast after 9-11, and given Saddam and Poppy Bush's history, there was an outlet that could be used. There seemed to be a lot of square shaped information being shoved through a small round hole to try and create some shakey coherent thread of reasonings. THAT process created a picture of something that didn't really exist. Even when conflicting information was submitted, it was denied, and suppressed. Bush and Cheney had already decided on a course of action and would accept only the information that greased those particular wheels. They twisted and turned and contorted and massaged information into what they could use for their purpose.

If you say so, Lesley. Believe what you want. I will stand by what I said that IF that were in fact the case......the rabid Dems would have gone for the kill on Bush and Cheney. But, they didn't because they COULDN'T.

CindiR · 09-02-2009, 06:14 PM

Absoutely I think they lied

View Poll Results: Did Bush and Cheney lie?
Yes	34	51.52%
No	32	48.48%
I have no opinion	0	0%
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09-02-2009, 03:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Lesley 5000-9999 post king of hearts Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,244	Bush/Cheney lied Poll How many here think Bush and Cheney lied, re: to manufacture a war in Iraq? __________________ Lesley. "A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy." Benjamin Disraeli

09-02-2009, 04:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
robine 10000-15000 post ace of hearts Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: At the Tavern Posts: 19,570 Blog Entries: 1787	Why is this here?? In some lame attempt to divert and deflect away from BO's plummeting polls?? I mean seriously??? __________________ Dictator, Dictator, There’s one little catch: We value our freedom That you want to dispatch. Dictator, Dictator, This could be you… Just Google the late Nicolae Ceaucescu.

09-02-2009, 04:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Lesley 5000-9999 post king of hearts Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,244	lol No, the question was recently raised and I can't see this being off topic. __________________ Lesley. "A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy." Benjamin Disraeli

09-02-2009, 04:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
MamaBear 10000-15000 post ace of hearts Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 12,812 Blog Entries: 779	No....I don't believe they did. They had lots of intelligence to go on. Not only our own intelligence, but that from other countries. I believe they went in with specific knowledge and beliefs of what would be found. When solid proof couldn't be found, there are three things that could be......1) mistake...not likely IMO 2) lie....I don't think so, given the various sources and 3) so much time lapsed given the repeated warnings that things were dismantled, changed and moved. High probability in this case given that SH undoubtedly had WMDs......as he used them on his own people. That is FACT that cannot be changed. However.......when WMDs as wholes were not found (components WERE!!!) what could they say? Of course the left has run with it and claimed the very worst possible scenario.......but let us not forget, even the left saw the evidence/intelligence with their own eyes and they VOTED to go into Iraq. Of course they all turn on it to protect their own behinds and pander to the left. Had things gone as anticipated they'd all be high fiving each other and basking in their glory. Let's face it.......IF Bush had really lied.....you really think for a SECOND that the Dems wouldn't have hung him out to dry, had his and Cheney's heads on a platter and impeached them? But, they didn't.....because they COULDN'T!!! And let's suppose that it was in fact lies.......that means the whole lot of them should have gone down. __________________ Me DH Married for 12 wonderful years!!! A-11 A-8 C-5!!! ~Live Well~ ~Laugh Often~ ~Love Much~ "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin


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09-02-2009, 04:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
CrystalAZ 10000-15000 post ace of hearts Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix AZ & Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 11,700 Blog Entries: 481	I think it is a legitimate question. I think they may have lied (as I think ALL politicians lie) but I don't think they lied in order to have a war. Did they receive faulty info? Yeh. Were they lied TO? Possibly. Was the war decision made too rapidly due to the terrorism fears? Perhaps. Did they try to cover their asses whenever negative info came out? Of course. But I don't think the entire war has been held on a fabrication. I think they truly were doing what they thought was best for us at that time. And I think history is going to be kind to Bush for that decision. Over the long run, we are doing a great thing for Iraq. Crystal __________________ Me: 41 DH: 39 TTC#1: 11/04: IVF Canceled 8/06: DE IVF: BFN 11/06: FET: BFP! Wyatt Douglas, born on 6-9-07! TTC#2: 09/08: FET: BFN 12/08: FET: BFN 04/09: Natural surprise: ectopic

09-02-2009, 04:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
Lesley 5000-9999 post king of hearts Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,244	I believe Bush and Cheney had an imperative to act fast after 9-11, and given Saddam and Poppy Bush's history, there was an outlet that could be used. There seemed to be a lot of square shaped information being shoved through a small round hole to try and create some shakey coherent thread of reasonings. THAT process created a picture of something that didn't really exist. Even when conflicting information was submitted, it was denied, and suppressed. Bush and Cheney had already decided on a course of action and would accept only the information that greased those particular wheels. They twisted and turned and contorted and massaged information into what they could use for their purpose. So while I agree there was some intelligence used...it wasn't the sum total of the information that was made available to them...and they deliberately chose the path of war. __________________ Lesley. "A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy." Benjamin Disraeli Last edited by Lesley; 09-02-2009 at 05:01 PM.

09-02-2009, 06:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
CindiR 1000-4999 post queen of hearts Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: West Michigan Posts: 2,392	Absoutely I think they lied __________________ CindiR ds Sam 7 years (IVF/ICSI) dd Molly 6 years (suprise p/g)

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