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Old 02-08-2006, 04:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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State Taxes...

I just met with a client who bought a new house a few months ago and just got their first property tax bill for $40k! (We have prop 13, so it really won't ever increase, but could you imagine a permanent bill like this 5 years from retirement!) It lead me to really ponder where the heck all this money is really going!!!!

Taxpayers Face Crunch at State Level
Wednesday, February 08, 2006

WASHINGTON — Every state but one collected more taxes per person in 2004 than it did a decade earlier, according to newly released data from the Census Bureau.

State taxpayer burdens increased by an average of 41 percent from 1994 to 2004. Only Alaska saw the amount it collects per person decline.

Even when the numbers are adjusted for inflation, the individual tax burdens increased in 43 states.

The big range in state taxes reflects the variety of government revenue systems throughout the country. The numbers do not include local taxes, which in many states generate most of the money for schools. They also do not include federal taxes.

Wyoming, Connecticut, Minnesota and Delaware round out the top five states in tax receipts per person. South Dakota, Colorado, New Hampshire and Alabama round out the bottom five.

New Hampshire had the biggest increase from 1994 to 2004, with the state tax burden more than doubling. But at $1,544 per person, it remained among the lowest in the country.

Alaska, which gets much of it revenue from oil production, saw its state tax receipts drop 1 percent, to $2,035 per person. Oil revenue helped Alaska spend $12,294 per person in 2004, far more than any other state.

States, on average, get nearly half their tax revenues from sales taxes. They get a third from personal income taxes and 5 percent from corporate income taxes.

Education is the biggest budget item, consuming an average of 31 percent of state spending. Public welfare, which includes Medicaid, comes in second at 24 percent. Highways account for 6 percent of state spending and police protection just 1 percent.

Many states raised taxes early in the decade because of budget shortfalls caused by the economic slowdown. Many of those states now have budget surpluses, leading some, including Hawaii, to debate tax cuts.

"Many states are having an unexpected surplus of revenue, and that is because of economic growth," said Stephen Slivinski, director of budget studies at the Cato Institute, a Washington thinktank. "It's mainly because their estimates on economic growth were very low."

Hawaiians paid the most to state government — an average of $3,050 per person in 2004. Texans paid the least — an average of $1,368.

Rising education and Medicaid costs have fueled spending growth, which has led to higher taxes.

"Medicaid has been the fastest growing program in state budgets going back to 2000," said Arturo Perez, a fiscal analyst at the National Council of State Legislatures.

Medicaid is the state-federal health insurance program for the poor. In an effort to stem rising costs for states. Congress passed legislation last week allowing states to charge about 13 million Medicaid beneficiaries new or increased co-payments and premiums.

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Old 02-09-2006, 10:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Usually when I gripe about taxes, it's not just federal taxes. It's state taxes and all of the little "fees" embedded in my cell phone bills, property taxes, taxes on my tags....the list goes on.

I don't think people really add all of that up. I know I do. And, I too wonder where it all goes when it seems they are constantly asking for more.

What really ticks me off is many of the "earmarks" in federal bills provide pork to the states. Yet another way that states siphon taxpayer dollars. It just truly makes me ill.
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Old 02-09-2006, 11:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Mag,

I added all of that up this year and I about had a heart attack. Maybe this year irritates me more since the money could have paid for MANY IVF's!

But, my point is that people are complaining about the federal rates, which I think are too low, but don't understand that it comes from somewhere and more and more it is coming from the state and the nickel and dime fees.

The feds are requiring the states to pay for homeland security issues, the patriot act...oh and don't get me started on how CA has to pay for the FEDERAL highways and securing the NATIONAL borders.

I think that by grandstanding that federal taxes are so low and aren't things grand, we should be concerned about thet fact that we still pay for it, just not on a federal level. I am so glad I got that $300 in the mail a few years ago, while the school down the street is struggling because of federal cuts!

The fed gets most of my money, so why does my state have to disproportionately pay for the infrasturcture and services I receive???
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Right there with you....It's like a big game of ball under the cup... the ball is still there but it is just moving around and you still have to find it/pay for it if not at the federal level at the state or local level.

Our neighborhood elementary is struggling so much right now that we are having to contemplate private school, unless we can get into one of the magnets we are trying for. The school is being told that their funding won't be restored any time soon so they are thinking of renting out a section of the playground that faces our little down town to retail spaces... my kids are not going to a school that has any tom **** and harry wondering on it because they are looking for the retail store :

Our taxes on little stuff keep going up here and it is just a matter of timMy parents have a house in NY and my dad was appauld when he found out about the taxes they pay there... state, county, bourough, and city and they are technically still residents of AZ so they don't get nailed with even more. The inlaws moved to TX and were talking about how much money they were going to save no longer living in CA... then discovered what ALL their property taxes in TX are... 4x what they paid here and they have NO services to speak of (they live in the "country"... volunteer fire, no police, pay extra for garbage etc). I asked what they get for all those taxes and they just shrugged. But heck we got that whopping $300, makes me feel so much better.
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did that fee include Mello-Roos (since I see you are in OC)? If not, my guess is that anyone that can afford a $3,000,000+ home isn't sweating the extra $40k per year in prop taxes, though I know I would!
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Just curious, what's the price tag on a house that results in a 40,000 tax bill?
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Jillie- That does not include the Mello-Roos. The client bought a house in Newport Beach for $4 million. As for me, I purposely bought a house one block into county land just for that reason. Irvine is insane with mello-roos! I don't want to pay mello-roos and my house is easier to sell without it. They are building houses and townhomes here with 2-3% Mello Roos!!!!!!!!

It is all relative in terms of what they can afford. He sold his house for almost $3 million and it was mostly paid off. (Bought it for $1 million in 1993) So really we are talking about financing a $1 million which is no sweat for two doctors. My point is once they retire and have no income, they will start paying down the mortgage debt, but that tax is NEVER going to go away. There income taxes will decrease, but not this tax! My other point was where the heck is that money going!

marg- The base property tax for most counties in CA is 1% of purchase price. They can add aggregate indebtedness like mello-roos, bonds and services. The property is not usually reassessed because of Prop 13. Many years ago, housing prices climbed so much that the taxes were forcing the elderly out of their homes (much like utilities are today)...so they passed prop 13 to fix the assessment.

And traci is right, TX has some monsterous taxes as well, depending on the area. I know that in Plano most people are paying about $20k a year just for the schools. Dallas is cheaper than the newer areas. But, they have no state taxes, so it really is usually a wash to CA. But, in retirement, NV is the best bet!
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Yikes, no mello-roos on that bill--ouch! When we relocated to SoCal, we looked at Newport and the Turtle Ridge area of Irvine but moved to LA (a beach city) for the simple reason of the mello roos addition--it really bites!

As for what they're going to do--probably not retire, lol!, based on needing to pay that monster of a tax bill!

As to where the money is going that we're all paying? Is up in smoke or a vapor a realistic answer?
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