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Old 03-15-2005, 10:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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United Auto Workers Vs. The US Marine Corps

I don't have a very high opinion of most, if not all, unions. So, this just really confirms some negative feelings I already had.

A summary of the issue is that a United States Marine Corp Reserve (USMCR) building is next to a United Autoworkers (UAW). The UAW have been allowing the Marines to park in their lot for a long time....until one with a foreign car and a Bush bumper sticker parked in the lot. That's where the brouhaha began.

And, what's an "American Made" car anymore? We've got BMWs, Toyotas, etc. being manufactured here in the states and Fords, etc. being manufactured in Mexico.

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Marines snub UAW olive branch

Reservists will park elsewhere, although union admits mistake banning nonunion cars, Bush stickers.

By Eric Mayne / The Detroit News

Large blunder, or small?

The UAW has reversed its decision not to allow Marine reservists to park vehicles made by overseas-based automakers or displaying pro-Bush stickers in its parking lot. But the Marines say they now choose to park elsewhere. Has the parking lot flap seriously damaged the UAW’s reputation?

DETROIT -- The United Auto Workers union waved a white flag Monday in its parking skirmish with neighboring reservists, but the 1st Battalion, 24th Marines are not accepting surrender.

Facing intense criticism, UAW President Ron Gettelfinger reversed his decision to ban Marine Corps reservists driving foreign cars or displaying pro-President Bush bumper stickers from parking at the union's Solidarity House headquarters in Detroit.

"I made the wrong call on the parking issue, and I have notified the Marine Corps that all reservists are welcome to park at Solidarity House as they have for the past 10 years," Gettelfinger said in a statement.

Wounded by what they consider an unpatriotic ambush, the Marines rejected the union's olive branch and secured an alternative parking lot.

"I talked to Ron; I let him know that I understand he has rescinded his decision," said Lt. Col. Joe Rutledge, a top-ranking officer at the reserve infantry rifle battalion. "However, I've made my decision -- either you support the Marines or you don't."

The Detroit News reported the controversy Sunday.

The UAW has a longstanding policy prohibiting nonunion-made vehicles from the parking lots at its plants and meeting halls.

Until last week, the union made an exception for the Marines who parked at Solidarity House on the weekends. The battalion's headquarters is nearby on East Jefferson.

While both sides say the dispute has been overblown, it revealed the depths of the UAW's antipathy toward the Bush administration and its concern over the rise of foreign automakers in the U.S. market.

Gettelfinger and other top UAW International officials say Bush is blatantly anti-labor and has opposed measures that could have benefited working men and women.

UAW leaders backed Democratic challenger John Kerry and his running mate John Edwards in last year's election.

The UAW's reversal Monday followed a barrage of criticism from both union members and nonunion members. The dispute became instant fodder for such Web sites as The Drudge Report and various radio programs.

The News received hundreds of e-mails Sunday and Monday about the controversy, the majority criticizing the UAW's decision.

"I have never belonged to the unions, but I've always bought (domestic) brand cars," Jenny Pulcerm 74, of Harrison Township. "Right now, I'm driving a Chrysler. But the next car will definitely not be union-made."

Outside the Marine reservists headquarters, it wasn't hard to find signs of hard feelings. A Toyota pickup truck parked in front of a phalanx of military Humvees sported three bumper stickers. One touted Semper Fi, the Marines' motto, the second was a Bush/Cheney campaign sticker and the third an anti-UAW sign.

The UAW decision to ban Marines struck a nerve with many who say U.S. armed forces deserve more respect, especially during a time of war.

And certainly, some said, Marines should be able to support their commander in chief, President Bush, without facing repercussions.

"The Marines who fought at Iwo Jima -- including yours truly -- and those who are now in Iraq, took an oath to defend this country and its citizens," said Russ Paquette, an 87-year-old lawyer from St. Clair Shores and former commanding officer of the 1st Battalion, 24th Marines. "There is nothing in the oath which indicates that we Marines will only fight for citizens who drive certain automobiles, or who voted in the last election for a certain president."

Gettelfinger, himself a former Marine Corps reservist, said his initial decision should not be looked on as a lack of support for the military.

"That certainly was not my intention. ... I fully appreciate the sacrifices and contributions made by America's reservists, National Guard members and active duty military personnel and their families," his statement said.

Gettelfinger also acknowledged the decision reflected poorly on the UAW, which has historically supported the U.S. military.

"The controversy over this decision has overshadowed the many good things the UAW and our members are doing to support and express our appreciation to America's servicemen and -women and veterans," he said.

Some supported Gettelfinger's call.

"It took a lot of guts," said Phil Davis, a 58-year-old realtor in Tampa, Fla. "It was based on principle."

Dominic Roti, a 64-year-old Farmington retiree who worked 37 years for Chrysler, credits the UAW with setting the benchmark for America's standard of living.

"They're the ones who are putting bread on the table," Roti said. "We're accustomed to live a certain way. ... You have a car to go from work, to home, to the stores -- not like in a lot of European countries. ... The UAW made it that way for us. We're thankful to them."

But many of those who weighed in said the episode changed their opinion of the UAW. Bill Reiber of Vista, Calif., whose son is serving in Iraq, is trading in his Chevrolet S-10 pickup for a vehicle made by a foreign automaker.

"I'm looking at the Toyota Tacoma," he said. "What (the UAW) did, it just wasn't right. These are Marines and they have a right, like anybody else in America, to express their First Amendment rights."

Lt. Col. Rutledge said he's anxious to get past the dispute and get back to business. Owners of a nearby apartment complex have agreed to allow reservists to park on their premises.

"I know people are incensed by this thing," Rutledge said, "but in the big scheme of things, what I do is train Marines and I'm preparing these guys to go overseas."


http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins...A01-117640.htm

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Old 03-15-2005, 12:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This is kind of old. I thought it was silly of UAW to do this in the first place. Marines and reservists are not a group I'd like to toss out on their rumps especially when military people are making their 2nd and 3rd trip to Iraq. What a loser of an idea.

btw - there are a LOT of cars in Europe. Don't know what the old chap was thinking.

There was a time when it was true that what was good for GM (Detroit) was good for the US, but that has long since gone by the wayside.

I have always bought American labelled cars - GM's all. I know that foreign based companies build their cars here and employ thousands of Americans and that GM is building parts in Mexico. The line between what an American car and a Foreign car has gotten very blurred since the 1960's when American car manufacturers were at their peak.

For a really interesting European car I saw in France (And they are in other places too) click here And follow the links for Smart car for two.

But I guess it's coming here according to this paragraph:
Canadians get Smart before U.S.: Smart, Mercedes-Benz's mini-car brand, will begin importing its tiny two-seat, three-cylinder Smart Fortwo coupe and cabriolet to our nice neighbors to the North a year before Smarts go on sale in the U.S. The Canadians will only get about 800 of the diminutive cars that are priced at about $12,500 for the base two-seater to $15,000 for the convertible. Smart exports to the U.S. will begin in '06: the Fortwo two-seater, the slightly larger Forfour four-seater, and a new mini-SUV dubbed Formore. The Brazilian-built Formore will be the volume leader with an anticipated 30,000 units. (Car & Driver)

But after seeing this car up close, I wouldn't get in it as driver or passenger. It looks completely unprotected if hit from behind. Cute though, but not for this big-car girl, although I may look at hybrid cars given current gas prices.

Have I switched topics enough in one post??

OK, In true eNFp fashion, I'll tie it together for non-NF people.

Since gas prices are so high, I'm looking at Honda's Prius, even though I've been a 100% GM All-American woman since my first Chevy purchase. And if I needed nudging in a foreign car market direction, tossing out Marines from parking places helps.
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This is kind of old.
Really? The article I referenced was written today.
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I heard Hugh Hewitt discuss it one night, seems like it's been about a month or so. In the article, it does mention that the UAW reversed it's decision, so there had to be enough time to make the decision, then people got put out about it, this is when I first heard of it, then the UAW changed its mind. I see that it's getting lots of press this week, but I think they Marines were kicked out last month.

OK, Lots of people are writing on this.

How about checking this guy out?

Michelle Malkin has piped in with this

Glad it's getting more print space
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This link was on Malkins' site. The UAW certainly sounded pretty nasty below. If the press isn't going to put this in the forefront, I'm going to make sure I do my part in notifying all of my military friends. I'd say the UAW did their part in discouraging military members to not purchase American made cars with this little stint.

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Parking Feud
By Kimberly Craig
Web produced by Jenny Clark
March 9, 2005

Some U.S. Marines say they were surprised by the decision made by Detroit auto workers about parking. It all started with the cars some Marines drove, and what was on them.

The words that have some U.S. Marines in shock came from the man in charge of security at the UAW Solidarity House, on Jefferson in Detroit. For a number of years now, dozens of Marine reservists have been thankful to park in the UAW’s lot for weekend training with no problem at all - until now.

Marines at nearby Marine Corps Reserve Center say on Tuesday morning, the director of security at the UAW told them that while they support the troops, Marines driving foreign vehicles or sporting a President George Bush bumper sticker were no longer welcome to park there.

U.S. Marine Lt. Col. Joe Rutledge told Action News, "We received a phone call from the UAW, who support us by letting us park down at their facility. They called and said they weren’t going to allow or they would turn away some vehicles."

A spokesman for the UAW released a statement to Action News which reads:

"While reservists certainly have the right to drive non-union made vehicles and display bumper stickers touting the most anti-worker, anti-union president since the 1920s, that doesn’t mean they have the right to park in a lot owned by members of the UAW."

As U.S. Marine Corps Capt. Lee Cooper explained, "We’re very appreciative, but on the other hand, it’s kind of discriminating between, let’s say a lance corporal going through college can only afford a 15-year-old vehicle and it happens to be a Nissan."

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I don't like it when people make blanket statements like this:

most anti-worker, anti-union president since the 1920s



I'm thinking Richard Nixon was pretty anti-union.
And possibly Ronald Reagan.

But I haven't seen evidence that GW would deserve this title.
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Has any group come off better after having gone toe to toe with the Marines? I do believe that the UAW has made an enemy for life.

Considering an enlisted man's salary, choosing to buy a car based on whether is was union made or not is most likely not a consideration. The best value may be paramount. The UAW by it's very definition is an impediment to reasonably priced automobiles.
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Very UnAmercan and not well thought out on the part of the UAW..Wonder what they would have done if they spotted a Kerry sticker on a foreign car?.....This type of knee jerk reaction is typical though....
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