Has this happened to you????

[cpgal]

I have been charting for three months. The first two months I had a dramatic dip at the same time as surge and then ovulation. This happened on CD14 and CD15.

This month is CD15 and still no drop in temperature and no LH Surge (haven't tested today).

My questions:

Is it possible that this month there is no temperature drop with surge?

Is it possible that I might not ovulate at all this month? (No prior issues with that in the past)

Has anyone else's cycles varied? (I thought that there would be a set pattern)

[BC-Maura]

Hi there: Yes, it's possible that you are going to ovulate without seeing a pre-ovulatory dip and yes, it's possible to have cycles with varying patterns. You might find you O on cd 14 95% of the time, but then have a moving target date for that other 5%. Or you might find you O 1/2 of the time on cd 14 and the other 1/2 on cd 20. There is no end to the variations! Your pattern might be that you have no set pattern.

What should stay roughly the same, though, is the length of your luteal phase. So, if you O on cd 14 and get AF on cd 29, then your LP is 14 days. This can vary by a day either way (a LP of 13-15 days, in other words), but ideally it shouldn't vary by more than that. So if you O on cd 20 one month, you should get AF on cd 35 that month (assuming a 14 day LP).

I don't think you should assume you are NOT going to ovulate this month. It might be the case (every now and then even the most regular ovulater has an "off" month), but I would not stop BMSing because one of the most frustrating things is to give up too soon and then miss O!

So, short answer: keep charting and OPKing and most importantly, keep BMSing .... and I bet you'll see your rise soon (but maybe not the dip beforehand!).

Good luck and keep us posted++++++++
Maura

[cpgal]

Thanks Maura!

This has been a frustrating month. I was told I had FOUR good size follicles on Friday (from the Clomid) and yet now I fear I am not going to ovulate or am going to miss it. We have been BMSing like crazy and probably will go every other day now.

I will let you know if it happens. I just will be flabbergasted to have four follicles and no ovulation. Is that even possible?

My LP tends to be 11 days. I have short cycles, which is also why I get nervous when I ovulate later.

[jenisuzy]

Hi cpal!
From my own personal experience...we've been TTC since May08. I've had variations from cycle to cycle myself. Total cycle days have ranged for me lately from 22-28 days with an LP of 10-13 days. Seems like I tend to O anywhere from day 12-16. It would make life much more simple & easier if things stayed the same gosh but I just dont forsee that happening with my body ! That just my experience but I think Maura is definitely the expert here ! Good luck to you!

[cpgal]

Update CD16 and the morning OPK POAS had a faint line. My temp is still low but no dramatic dip like I have had the past two months (which coincided with LH Surge for those months).

HOPING that I get a good solid one this afternoon ( I do usually lead up to a good solid) but it will probably happen tomorrow (since Murphy's law has me doing something Friday morning that will be very tough to get out of for an IUI). Jimminy cricket!

[cpgal]

Oh, thought I would put up my charts, hopefully this works:

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/205f96

[jenisuzy]

CPGAL : Here's to an LH surge for you happening REAL soon !!!! How many days was your LP before & after taking the Clomid ? Thanks a bunch

[cpgal]

Now, I do have a LP defect and before Clomid I was 9 or 10 days - which makes it super tough to conceive since 10 is the upper limit for implantation. Since Clomid I have had 11 to 12 days LP - but mostly 11, which is just fine since that gives time for implantation.

Since this cycle is all jacked up - I am hoping for 11 days. My cycles are short. But this one might be longer. The longest cycle I have had this year was 28 days.

Clomid really did stop the spotting. I would spot a lot before.

[BC-Maura]

Hi cpgal: I just posted to jenisuzy about progesterone supps ... have you ever taken them? Sorry if you've already said! As I said to her, Clomid can help some people (it seems to have helped lengthen you LP some, but progesterone is really effective at treating LPD.

From what I've read, implantation takes place between 6-12 dpo, with a normal LP being 12-16 days. So, a LP of 11 days may still be too short to allow for a successful implantation (let's say the egg was going to implant on 12 dpo, but you started AF that day).

I would ask your doctor about prog supps if you haven't already. Can't hurt and it might help!

Good luck and keep us posted+++++++
Maura

[jenisuzy]

WOW I didnt realize normal LP is that long, 12-16 days ??!! Here me having 9-12 day LP may be part of this issue. Thanks Maura !!!