Updated Temps..Help!

[Hopefulj]

Hi! I have some new temps and need help with what it all means. A little history on me, I usually have short cycles, 22-25 days, once in a blue moon I have longer cycles. I have no idea if I "O" on my own and I am not on any meds. I have taken 4, yes 4 hpt's in the last few days, I must say that I hate them. I bought the kind that is suppose to give you results sooner (BLAH) and on both of them I got errors and those are not cheap test. I also bought the First Response, I got 2 BFN'S , Anyway, eneough about me. My temps are:
CD 9--98.0
CD 10-97.9
CD 11-97.9
CD12-97.9
CD13-97.7
CD14-97.6
CD15-97.7
CD16-97.6
CD17-97.5
CD18-97.5
CD19-97.9
CD20-97.6
CD21-97.7
CD22-97.5
CD23-97.7
CD24-98.4
CD25-98.2
CD26-98.1
CD27-98.1
Oh yeah I started the cycle on the 4th and I didnt start the BBT until the 12th.

CD

[BC-DKNY]

hi ya...

it definitely looks like you had a temp shift on cd 24, inidcating O occurred on cd 23. this would make your CL at 98.0, which means yout temps are sitting just above your CL.

sooooooo......let's talk about your short cycles. have you gone thru any testing? i'm assuming since you said you don't know if you O, that you don't know which part of your cycle is short?

if it's the luteal phase (the part of your cycle after O) then that could be indicative of LPD. the temps riding the CL would be consistant with that too. have you had your thyroid and hormones tested?

sorry for all of the questions. just trying to see where you are in terms of info.

[Hopefulj]

Thanks for looking at my temps Dina. To answer your questions, no I havent done any testing except I had the hsg (dye test) and I had no blockages, I have not had any blood work done, but the DR. told me to call if I start, which should be tomorrow. The nurse said that the dr. wanted to her from me is to sch. blood work. ....So really, it looks like I "o'd"!!!! How could you tell???

Thanks,
Jena

[AngelaM]

Originally Posted by Hopefulj

Hi! I have some new temps and need help with what it all means. A little history on me, I usually have short cycles, 22-25 days, once in a blue moon I have longer cycles. I have no idea if I "O" on my own and I am not on any meds.

The only thing that seems odd to me is that if you have normally have short cycles, I would've assumed you would ovulate much earlier than CD24.

I would've expected to see your temps go above 98 about Day 12 or so.

You may want to try using an OPK during your next cycle to see where your LH surge occurs and use that in conjuction with the BBT.

If your cycles are very short, you very well could have a luteal phase problem.

[BC-DKNY]

jena....generally when you O you get a temp shift that's at least 2/10ths of a degree above your previous temps. although you did hit97.9 a few times, your temp fell back and stayed back, indicating O had not yet occurred. once you get that 2/10th increase, and your temp stays above that, then that means you've O'd. you draw your coverline at 1/10th of a degree higher than the highest of the 6 temps preceding O. in your case that would be 97.9 plus the 1/10th, making your CL 98. you want to ideally see your temps stay above your CL and not ride your CL during your LP. a drop here or there is ok, but you don't want them just hovering above it.

angela has brought out an excellent point. if you're O'ing so late, and you have short cycles, that's indicative of LPD. a "good" length for your luteal phase is anywhere between 12-16 days. anything under 12 days is considered a problem b/c implantation can occur as late as 12 dpo. if the lining begins to shed before that, it will not allow the fertilized egg to implant. if this is a typical issue with you, you must discuss this with your doc.

i had LPD which was picked up thru an endometrial biopsy. i had many symptoms which prompted the test. it's a fairly easy problem to correct (relatively speaking) so it's worth it.

[BC-Maura]

Originally Posted by Hopefulj

I have not had any blood work done, but the DR. told me to call if I start, which should be tomorrow.

Hi Jena! If you did indeed O on cd 23 -- and I agree with Dina that your temps certainly suggest that -- then you should not be getting AF tomorrow, assuming you have a normal luteal phase (the time period between O and AF). LPs are usually 12-16 days long, which means you wouldn't get AF until cd 36-40 this month (depending on how long your LP is).

If it comes before then -- and definitely if it comes tomorrow -- then LP issues are definitely something you need to discuss with your doctor because a short LP interferes with and sometimes prevents implantation altogether.

Originally Posted by Hopefulj

So really, it looks like I "o'd"!!!! How could you tell???

After O, typically there is a rise that is at least .2 degree higher than your 6 temps preceding the rise. In your case, you had a rise on cd 24 which was higher than your temps on cds 18-23.

CD18-97.5
CD19-97.9
CD20-97.6
CD21-97.7
CD22-97.5
CD23-97.7
CD24-98.4
CD25-98.2
CD26-98.1
CD27-98.1

Your coverline, the line that divides your pre-O and post-O temps, is drawn .1 degree higher than the highest of those preceding 6 temps. Your highest temp was on cd 19 (97.9) and so your coverline is 98.0.

Hope that helps.... let us know how you're doing, ok?

++++++++++++++++++GOOD LUCK
Maura
p.s. Hi Dina! I didn't see your post when I was writing mine!

[BC-DKNY]

ha!!.....maura...we do this all the time....but i just "know" that when we're repeating eachother (almost verbatim) that we're obviously pounding away at the keyboard at the same time.

[Hopefulj]

WOW!!! I learned alot..Thank you for all of that info, I was clueless. FT is such a blessing and all of the members are so great, yall are such a blessing.

Dina, you said that you had a LPD and had symptoms, what were the symptoms and how is the LPD corrected? Oh yeah and how does the DR. determine if I do have a LPD?

Thanks again for all of yall's help.

Jena

[BC-DKNY]

Jena.....first and foremost i was having trouble getting pg. having had been pg before i was completely ignorant to sec IF, so i was 2 years into TTC my ds before i even discussed it with my OB. the main symptom was my LP was very borderline in terms of length. then i had, low running temps, lots of spotting (for days) both before and after AF, VERY sore bb's pre AF, and 2 pos HPT's (on 2 separate occassions) only to have a temp plummet and extra heavy bleeding (at approx 19 dpo) inidcating a problem maintaining a pg.

although my cd 3 b/w came back normal, that really has nothing to do with the horomones (mainly progesterone) needed in properly preparing the lining for implantation and pg. dh's SA also came back normal, so we knew it wasn't him.

the only way to really determine LPD for certain is thru an endometrial biopsy. you have to go in on a certain cd (and i truthfully can't remember which day it was) but it 's during your LP, after O has already been confirmed. i actually had to refrain from TTC that month just in the event conception did occur, it would've been too early (before AF was due) to determine. there should be no possibility of pg because the procedure entails taking a tissue sample from the uterine lining, to determine if it's where it should be at that point in your cycle. mine came back "out of phase" indicating that the lining wasn't preparing properly for implantation. the hormones were not what they should've been at that point in my cycle. the first and most obvious course of action (for me) was to try and supplement progesterone. i even convinced my OB to give me the progest before i had my HSG. i KNEW i didn't need that test b/c i was certain i had conceived a few times over the years and i wasn't maintaining it. we had also already established that i had no O issues.

for me it was probably an "age" thing. at the point that i finally conceived my ds i was considered to be of "advanced maternal age" at the ripe old age of 38. as a matter of fact, normally IF testing is done in a certian order to rule things out one by one. my tests were all done out of order according to whatever cd i was closest to. my OB didn't even want me to waste 3-4 more months on testing so we just started whatever could be squeezed in asap.

before i tried the progesterone i had already added to my regimen vitamin B-6 (ER), one 81 mg baby aspirin a day , robitussin, green tea........and and anything else that was "known" to be good for fertility. B-6 and the baby aspirin are supposed to be very helpful in preparing the lining. and seeing as tho i was suspecting that problem, i thought i'd throw that in there.

anyway...all of my instincts were correct. i conceived the first month i used the progesterone. my only regret was not looking into it sooner.

if you do in fact have a LPD issue, it's one of the "easier" things to correct. so if you do get AF within the next few days (according to the cycle length that you mentioned ealrier) i would absolutely pursue testing for that with your OB.

good luck, and let us know how it goes!

[Hopefulj]

Thank you so much Dina for your help. I know where I am heading now. I am currently on the baby asprin, why??? I have no idea, just heard that it was good for those TTC..

Thank you so much Dina,

Jena